Set route preference:
shortest route NO
avoid tolls NO
shortest time YES

That normally prevents those back roads.

But people forget they have choices

And far too many of the younger generation don't know what a proper up to date road map is either which would keep them on the beaten track instead of off it.

Reading a proper map isn't that hard.

Cheers.

And far too many of the younger generation don't know what a proper up to date road map is either which would keep them on the beaten track instead of off it.

Reading a proper map isn't that hard.

And paying more attention to the road signs than the map on your phone. Most of those more remote roads will often have signs such as "No fuel for next 500km," "Very rough surface" or even "Unmaintained road." It's generally a good hint you don't want to go there if you haven't actually thoroughly researched it beforehand.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Reading and understanding a road map isn't on the driving test...

The SatNav is considered to be Always Correct...

Hence, people do not even learn what a map is...


And people get lost...

Keep searchin'!
Martin

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Rented a car in Western Australia, a German one. A three day trip far to the south. The built-in car navigation (standard setting) constantly tried to leave the highway in order to take extensive shortcuts on unpaved roads through the bush. I didn't found a setting to prevent it. The map base apparently knows neither the road conditions nor the expected travel times for Australia. It was pure routing based on path length. After starting navigation, each time it displays a map of Europe for quite a while until remembering: uuh... Australia. Almost useless. I didn't trust its routing, but rather roughly looked at a road map: which road or highway, where to turn...

We tourists from Europe are used to drive blindly according to navigation recommendations, whether with built navigation, or with Apple or Google Maps. There is always a paved, easy-to-drive road (in Central Europe) and an intersection few kilometers ahead to change directions. Why worry about road maps?

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You must remember that children in this age are not taught the same “lost” skills. Take away all the electronic gadgets and they think they were sent to the Stone Age.

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You must remember that children in this age are not taught the same “lost” skills. Take away all the electronic gadgets and they think they were sent to the Stone Age.

Absolutely correct! I see this to an extent with my grand Nieces and Nephews ranging in age from 10 to just a smidge over 13 years.

The cellphone is practically fused to the left hand in the preteen age ones at all times, even when eating. The two that are 13 at least can function with out the cellphone always being in their hand and are heavy into playing sports as a "hobby" several days a week and on most weekends. All of them are at least B+/A- honors students in school.

At least I tried to teach my kids those skills that I learnt and hopefully some of those will get passed on again, but you have to be willing to take the time to do that, though sadly more parents these days are more worried about themselves than their kids it seems to take that time for them (out of sight and quiet, out of mind and no worries for them).

Personally I reckon that the standard of parenting here started really going downhill in the '90's when people stopped giving a hoot about anything unless it made things easier for them.

And some wonder why we need immigrants to do the hands on labourious jobs these days here and in many other countries as well.

Crikey I held down very physical 3 jobs a week as a teenager until I went into my trade, how many would do that these days? But I did learn plenty of skills that have served me well over the decades since. It's just a shame that I went bus driving instead of back into the building game that I started in before being a machinist bookbinder (if only I'd known that that trade was on the road to extinction back then).

I’ll admit most of my skills are wobbly. And others are just odd notions without experience. But some of these people don’t have even that.
It’s a wonder most skilled job are going unfilled for lack of manpower.

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My skills are good, but my body is too heavy to do more than easy work.

What used to be easy for me is no longer easy, it's painful, via my legs and back.

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... downhill in the '90's when people stopped giving a hoot about anything unless it made things easier for them...

Is that when TV advertising become cruelly psychological to advertise to people that they were "Entitled" to buy all these labour saving gadgets, and to enjoy themselves in being lazy and being 'entertained' for their pleasure?...


Keep searchin'!
Martin

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Could be. As I do like gadgets myself. Many that do the job way better than me. As for entertainment. My dad pointed me at the PBS channel on tv. Have to say I learned a fair bit and was entertained as a child. And this lead to liking the more educational type programming later on cable tv.

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Kermit and Miss Piggy were always entertaining, as was Oscar and company, plus we did learn something.

Book learning is not enough, sometimes hands on helps, other times seeing is enough.

Though I knew how to ride a horse by just watching TV Westerns like Gunsmoke, my parents didn't believe me, so when I was 17
me and my gf back then went out and I rented 2 horses, we had a good time too and the horses were returned on time and in good shape.

As to computers, Atari 400 w/48K and a real after market keyboard(a modded computer before it became something), a few ST's, an Amiga 1000, 3000, and 4000(before Linux or Minux came out), a Mac on a card with roms as well as a PC on a card in an Amiga 3000/4000, from 1992 hand built PC's, now one can load Workbench on a PC as the OS of choice. Right now I have the Bluster circuit board that needs a few parts and soldering, Bluster is a reverse engineered Amiga Buster chip.

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Nova, Nature, cooking shows and the odd documentary show was interesting to me.

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Yeah- the difference between building to a (high) standard (there are plenty of crappy low-quality standards about), and building to a budget.


Reminds me of work a few years ago.
They decided to get some heat reflective paint put on the roof to reduce the load on the aircon. The painter pointed out several sections of roof that were (or very soon would be) in need of repair. Work didn't want to pay the extra for the repairs, just told him to paint it & they'd worry about the repairs some other time.
Save $100 now, to spend $1000 later.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Web site and forums are taking forever to come up at the moment.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Yes they are.

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It seems to have come back to normal speed now. I noticed the same yesterday - very slow during UK morning hours ( =night-time on the pacific coast), normal in the afternoon UK, =early morning pacific.

Are they doing night-time maintenance, or have they hooked up the datacentre to solar power?