Oumuamua

Message boards : SETI@home Science : Oumuamua
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

AuthorMessage
Profile Lynn Special Project $75 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Nov 00
Posts: 14162
Credit: 79,603,650
RAC: 123
United States
Message 2064861 - Posted: 4 Jan 2021, 7:31:24 UTC

When the first sign of intelligent life first visits us from space, it won’t be a giant saucer hovering over New York. More likely, it will be an alien civilization’s trash.

Avi Loeb, the chair of Harvard’s Department of Astronomy, believes he’s already found some of that garbage.

In his upcoming book, “Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth” (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt), out Jan. 26, the professor lays out a compelling case for why an object that recently wandered into our solar system was not just another rock but actually a piece of alien technology.


ID: 2064861 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Lynn Special Project $75 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Nov 00
Posts: 14162
Credit: 79,603,650
RAC: 123
United States
Message 2064862 - Posted: 4 Jan 2021, 7:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 2064861.  

Sorry the other thread was closed. Locked out yesterday, again sorry.
ID: 2064862 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Lynn Special Project $75 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Nov 00
Posts: 14162
Credit: 79,603,650
RAC: 123
United States
Message 2068202 - Posted: 12 Feb 2021, 6:26:39 UTC - in response to Message 2064862.  

Sorry this is late. :-(

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9169357/Harvard-physicist-digs-theory-interstellar-visitor-Oumuamu-alien-craft.html
So is it an alien spacecraft? Harvard physicist digs into his theory that the interstellar visitor Oumuamu is not a comet but uses an extraterrestrial propulsion system to fly through space
ID: 2068202 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Lynn Special Project $75 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Nov 00
Posts: 14162
Credit: 79,603,650
RAC: 123
United States
Message 2068203 - Posted: 12 Feb 2021, 6:30:18 UTC - in response to Message 2064862.  

Sorry this is late. :-(

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9169357/Harvard-physicist-digs-theory-interstellar-visitor-Oumuamu-alien-craft.html
So is it an alien spacecraft? Harvard physicist digs into his theory that the interstellar visitor Oumuamu is not a comet but uses an extraterrestrial propulsion system to fly through space

Harvard physicist Avi Loeb is not shy about his idea that Earth's 2017 interstellar visitor being an extraterrestrial craft and is set to release a book to defending his claim with more detail.

The book, titled 'Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth,' argues the consensus that Oumuamu is not a comet or asteroid, but a light sail – a method of spacecraft propulsion.

In a recent interview with Salon Loeb explains that Oumuamu exhibited excess push, which he believes comes from sunlight.

'So a light sail is just like a sail on a boat that reflects the wind, the wind is pushing it,' Loeb told Salon...
ID: 2068203 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile William Rothamel
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 3756
Credit: 1,999,735
RAC: 4
United States
Message 2068230 - Posted: 12 Feb 2021, 13:15:43 UTC - in response to Message 2068203.  
Last modified: 12 Feb 2021, 13:20:09 UTC

I doubt that the Mathematics surrounding gravity and the kinematical thrust of icy outgassing from comets would support such a nonsense theory. Am I correct that there is no picture of the object. On the face of it, why would an advanced civilization package up their garbage and attach it to an advanced propulsion system and then use another system to get it off of their planet in the first place. If it actually is quite apparent that it was not from the Oort cloud or the Kuiper belt then that would be enough excitement to attach to this object--without all of the other hype. We must separate the buffoons from the serious astronomers when there is an appetite for sensationalism and notoriety.
ID: 2068230 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 21183
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 2068267 - Posted: 12 Feb 2021, 20:35:38 UTC - in response to Message 2068230.  
Last modified: 12 Feb 2021, 20:36:29 UTC

Indeed, there are no detailed photographs of the object beyond just the light intensity measured in a single pixel.

The shape is inferred from the observed light curves, and possibly from RADAR echos (Arecibo?)...


Keep searchin',
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 2068267 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 21183
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 2075122 - Posted: 6 May 2021, 19:48:45 UTC - in response to Message 2068267.  

Indeed, there are no detailed photographs of the object beyond just the light intensity measured in a single pixel.

The shape is inferred from the observed light curves, and possibly from RADAR echos (Arecibo?)...

And...

More recent study(s) / simulation(s) suggest the best fit for the shape for Oumuamua is...

A roughened pancake-like disc of material.


There are some very good and plausible natural explanations for such a shape. Sorry, no "ET" needed for that one.


Keep searchin',
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 2075122 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Michael Watson

Send message
Joined: 7 Feb 08
Posts: 1387
Credit: 2,098,506
RAC: 5
Message 2075142 - Posted: 6 May 2021, 23:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 2075122.  
Last modified: 6 May 2021, 23:48:07 UTC

Yes, the shape of 'Oumuamua might conceivably have a natural explanation. I have not seen a satisfactory explanation, though, for how it was able the increase its expected speed, as it departed from the inner solar system.

Various cometary outgassing scenarios have been proposed, but none of them satisfactorily explain how 'Oumuamua is supposed to have provided the needed thrust without affecting the spin of the object.

I hasten to add that the gravitational effects of 'Oumuamua passing near the Sun, and the thrust obtainable from the Solar wind had already been allowed for. An additional amount of mysterious thrust would have been necessary to speed the object along, as was observed.
ID: 2075142 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile William Rothamel
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 3756
Credit: 1,999,735
RAC: 4
United States
Message 2075183 - Posted: 7 May 2021, 11:48:59 UTC - in response to Message 2075142.  

This object would be interesting just due to its ostensible origin from outside the solar system. It seems that the actual "observations" are based on scant data and much hype and speculation.
ID: 2075183 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 21183
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 2075568 - Posted: 11 May 2021, 19:55:11 UTC
Last modified: 11 May 2021, 19:56:02 UTC

Here's a very good explanation and a good presentation:


Oumuamua Finally Explained Using a Brilliant Analysis


Looks good.

Keep searchin'!
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 2075568 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Wiggo
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 24 Jan 00
Posts: 36726
Credit: 261,360,520
RAC: 489
Australia
Message 2093922 - Posted: 11 Feb 2022, 21:10:55 UTC
Last modified: 11 Feb 2022, 21:11:14 UTC

I guess that someone would come up with this.

A spacecraft could visit weird interloper 'Oumuamua. Here's how.

In 2017, a totally bizarre object zipped through the solar system. Nicknamed 'Oumuamua, this interstellar traveler was too far away and too speedy to be identified. Years later, scientists are still puzzling over what it might have been.

It's not too late to go see, according to a new research paper posted to the preprint website arXiv. By executing a complex maneuver around Jupiter, a spacecraft launched by 2028 could catch up with 'Oumuamua in 26 years.

"What we need is a photograph of it, very close, an in situ photograph," said lead author Adam Hibberd, a software engineer at the nonprofit Initiative for Interstellar Studies (i4is) in the United Kingdom. "And the only way we can do that is by sending a mission."

'Oumuamua was last seen zipping through the solar system at 57,000 mph (92,000 km/h). That velocity — and the object's acceleration around the sun — indicated that it came from outside the solar system. Theories for what it might have been proliferated. A chunk of nitrogen ice that snapped off of an "alien Pluto"? A clump of debris from a comet? A piece of alien technology?

'Oumuamua's passage also cued a flurry of ideas for how to send a probe to see the object firsthand. 'Oumuamua sped past Saturn's orbit in January 2019 and is estimated to be somewhere outside Neptune's orbit as of this year, headed toward the constellation Pegasus. Some of the ideas on how to chase 'Oumuamua down involved slingshotting a spacecraft around the sun, thus enabling a burst of speed without using much fuel. But such a solar maneuver would require heavy solar shielding, which would add weight and expense, Hibberd told Live Science.

Under i4is' "Project Lyra,'' Hibberd and his colleagues in the U.S. and Europe cooked up an alternative, known as a "Jupiter Oberth maneuver." A spacecraft would launch from Earth, and then swing around both Venus and Earth. This would get it to Jupiter with minimal fuel, Hibberd said. Once at Jupiter, the spacecraft would burn fuel to accelerate, allowing it to slingshot past Jupiter toward 'Oumuamua at about 82,800 mph (133,200 km/h). Jupiter wouldn't give as much of a gravitational assist as the sun, Hibberd said, but it could still get the job done.

"Jupiter has one-thousandth the mass of the sun — so it's much less massive — and you don't get quite as much, to use the expression, 'bang for your buck,' but you do get there at fairly high speed," he said.

Whether any such mission will ever happen is an open question. Hibberd and his colleagues submitted a white paper to NASA's Decadal Survey, which queries the space community every 10 years for mission ideas and priorities.

"We'll see what comes of that white paper," Hibberd said. "We're trying to get encouragement from the scientific community — after all, it would solve a lot of their questions."
Cheers.
ID: 2093922 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
KLiK
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 31 Mar 14
Posts: 1304
Credit: 22,994,597
RAC: 60
Croatia
Message 2099037 - Posted: 6 May 2022, 8:57:04 UTC

ID: 2099037 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Philosopher8659

Send message
Joined: 21 Oct 15
Posts: 97
Credit: 2,696
RAC: 0
United States
Message 2103444 - Posted: 19 Jul 2022, 20:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 2064861.  

Actually, they have guided me probably since I was born to show you exactly why you cannot find them, even though the evidence has been examined for a long, long time.
Man has not been able to read it. So, I was asked to show mankind how.
Now, you might want to examine my work in geometry first, to see if you can "get it." You will find that work in the pdf vol set, Universal Language.
https://archive.org/details/aliens-response-to-mans-questions_202207
https://archive.org/details/AUniversalLanguage

https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

https://archive.org/details/DelianQuest2015
ID: 2103444 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Wiggo
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 24 Jan 00
Posts: 36726
Credit: 261,360,520
RAC: 489
Australia
Message 2131281 - Posted: 15 Jan 2024, 4:52:26 UTC

Will the chase be on?

‘Oumuamua: Plan to chase down our first known interstellar visitor.

.....Interstellar tail chase

I4IS initiated “Project Lyra” – detailing plausible means of sending a space probe to observe ‘Oumuamua – a fortnight after it was discovered.

Seven years later, ‘Oumuamua is already far beyond the orbit of Neptune and passing through the distant icy objects of the Kuiper Belt.

I4IS hasn’t given up yet.

In a new blog published this month, Hibberd outlines how existing technology – including the Space X Falcon Heavy and NASA’s Space Launch System – can propel a probe towards Jupiter. The gas giant can then correct the probe’s inertia relative to ‘Oumuamua before falling back towards the Sun for a slingshot into a pursuit trajectory.

Hibberd’s latest scenario proposes a plunge to within 10 Solar Radii (about 700,000km) of the Sun’s surface – a distance already proven feasible with the success of the NASA Parker Solar Probe.

“Thus exactly the same heat shield technology (a Carbon-Carbon composite material) can be utilised,” Hibberd tweeted.

Curiosity (discovering the new) keeps us alive.

Adam Hibberd

At the point of closest approach – the periapsis point – a solid rocket booster can maximise the probe’s acceleration as it is slung away by the Sun’s gravity.

Launch opportunities to take advantage of suitable planetary alignments arise in 2030 and 2033. Once in motion, it would take a probe about 17 years to catch up with the rapidly receding interstellar object.......
ID: 2131281 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11415
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 2131299 - Posted: 15 Jan 2024, 16:01:17 UTC - in response to Message 2131281.  

That is not going to happen,
ID: 2131299 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote

Message boards : SETI@home Science : Oumuamua


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.