That all depends on how you define "spoofing"
One definition of spoofing is to get BOINC to see more GPUs on a system than are actually there.
Another is to move tasks from the GPU to the CPU (or the other way round), thus spoofing the servers into sending one more tasks for the (apparently) depleted processor.

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. . Hi Siran, you must remember, desktop CPUs use more power and run faster than laptop CPUs and 2 'modern' GPUs can chew through a lot of work 8-} For eg, my Core2Duo with just one GTX1050ti can chew through about 400 -500 tasks per day. But what I don't understand is how anyone is getting 737 tasks in a day, all I get is 'no tasks available'. :(
Stephen
:(

Hi Stephen,
Yeah, I forgot my laptop has a Pentium. I knew it was dual core. ;)
I just had a thought: Would over setting the "Store at least [x] days of work" and "Store up to an additional [x] days of work" allow that many more tasks?
Have a great day! :)
Siran

. . Sadly setting the max cache period for work request does not circumvent the server limits. The only method I know to get extra tasks to feed extra hungry GPUs is with the spoofing client. 3 of my rigs are set up with a cut down version of that client, the slowest occasionally gets some work, the 2 faster machine get nothing so can only do E@H tasks, so I can say that the spoofed client definitely does not help getting resends in the current climate. Anyway, the way things are it will be over before too much longer.

Stephen

:(

HI Juan,
My apologies. I was not blaming GPUUG, I just used it as an example for why Ian refuses to explain what I was seeking to understand. That's it.
As for Github and stuff like that, I'm not privy to its use or what it does and really not that interested. Every time I see the name "Github" I think programming. I'm not a programmer.
And so, despite Ian's lack of explaining what I wanted to understand, you have done it in your post and I thank you. :)
Again, my apologies and have a great day! :)
Siran

. . Hi,

. . Since you mentioned Github, I heard a rumour from a new acquaintance that M$ are trying to get control of Github to achieve some kind of monopoly with their 'new' Linux based platform. Does anyone know anything about that. I thought Github was not commercial and therefore not up for being 'bought'.

Stephen

There is a way you increase the possibility of get some stuff, when they are available of course.
Since the batch of resendings are generated in different moments of the day you need to keep your host randomly ask for new job, not just the fix 30 min. That increases the chance of hit the jackpot at the right time. But you need to respect the 30 min minimum of you will never get any work. So keep hitting the keyboard is not an option. Yes i know is a tedious work if you not have a script to do that for you.

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HI Juan,
My apologies. I was not blaming GPUUG, I just used it as an example for why Ian refuses to explain what I was seeking to understand. That's it.
As for Github and stuff like that, I'm not privy to its use or what it does and really not that interested. Every time I see the name "Github" I think programming. I'm not a programmer.
And so, despite Ian's lack of explaining what I wanted to understand, you have done it in your post and I thank you. :)
Again, my apologies and have a great day! :)
Siran

. . Hi,

. . Since you mentioned Github, I heard a rumour from a new acquaintance that M$ are trying to get control of Github to achieve some kind of monopoly with their 'new' Linux based platform. Does anyone know anything about that. I thought Github was not commercial and therefore not up for being 'bought'.

Stephen

Hi Stephen,

Not gonna like this...

GitHub, Inc. is a United States-based global company that provides hosting for software development version control using Git. It is a subsidiary of Microsoft, which acquired the company in 2018 for US$7.5 billion. It offers the distributed version control and source code management (SCM) functionality of Git, plus its own features. It provides access control and several collaboration features such as bug tracking, feature requests, task management, and wikis for every project.

That's from Wikipedia. Looks like they already have. :(

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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There is a way you increase the possibility of get some stuff, when they are available of course.
Since the batch of resendings are generated in different moments of the day you need to keep your host randomly ask for new job, not just the fix 30 min. That increases the chance of hit the jackpot at the right time. But you need to respect the 30 min minimum of you will never get any work. So keep hitting the keyboard is not an option. Yes i know is a tedious work if you not have a script to do that for you.

. . The hard part is that after you manually request new work the client will auto request at the 30 min intervals for the next hour or two so it is difficult to make it random without a high probability of crashing a 30 min backoff ...

Stephen

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. . Hi,
. . Since you mentioned Github, I heard a rumour from a new acquaintance that M$ are trying to get control of Github to achieve some kind of monopoly with their 'new' Linux based platform.
Stephen

Hi Stephen,
Not gonna like this...
That's from Wikipedia. Looks like they already have. :(
Have a great day! :)
Siran

. . OUCH! So Big Brother closes his fist ................

Stephen

:(

. . The hard part is that after you manually request new work the client will auto request at the 30 min intervals for the next hour or two so it is difficult to make it random without a high probability of crashing a 30 min backoff ...

I never say it's easy unless you have a client who do that for you. LOL

But even doing this, my host did not receive a single resend today. It's running with only one GPU enabled and crunching some E@H while keep waiting. I not believe there are too much WU who needs a new resend after the last extra wingmen rounds.

What is bothering me more is the lack of external statistics. I have very few expectations about receive any Seti WU anymore.

<edit> Just found why i not receive any WU.... There was no resends generated today after 9 AM.

https://munin.kiska.pw/munin/static/dynazoom.html?cgiurl_graph=/munin-cgi/munin-cgi-graph&plugin_name=Munin-Node/Munin-Node/results_setiathomev8_rts&size_x=800&size_y=400&start_epoch=1587574919&stop_epoch=1587682919

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I never say it's easy unless you have a client who do that for you. LOL
<edit> Just found why i not receive any WU.... There was no resends generated today after 9 AM.
https://munin.kiska.pw/munin/static/dynazoom.html?cgiurl_graph=/munin-cgi/munin-cgi-graph&plugin_name=Munin-Node/Munin-Node/results_setiathomev8_rts&size_x=800&size_y=400&start_epoch=1587574919&stop_epoch=1587682919

. . OK, that is informative but for me the sad thing is I wasn't getting any when they were sending resends :(

. . Sounds like not much longer now ...

. . Now I just have to wait for Petri to write a Cuda10 app for E@H and watch the fun :)

Stephen

< shrug >

After a project lasting over 20 years, he signs off with "but after thinking about it for a few minutes..."?

This bit:

Wait a minute, something's wrong here! The optimization seems to want to push the weights to either plus or minus infinity.

Well, d'oh!!

sounds a lot like CreditNew.

After a project lasting over 20 years, he signs off with "but after thinking about it for a few minutes..."?

This bit:

Wait a minute, something's wrong here! The optimization seems to want to push the weights to either plus or minus infinity.

Well, d'oh!!

sounds a lot like CreditNew.

I was tempted to mention the same thing over at that same thread, but I'm still in 2 minds about doing that.

Cheers.

After a project lasting over 20 years, he signs off with "but after thinking about it for a few minutes..."?

He has obligations toward all these Administrations and People:

SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956. 

Some might get rather upset if at least he does not try hard enough.

That would get him rather disCredited.

Cheers!

After a project lasting over 20 years, he signs off with "but after thinking about it for a few minutes..."?

This bit:

Wait a minute, something's wrong here! The optimization seems to want to push the weights to either plus or minus infinity.

Well, d'oh!!

sounds a lot like CreditNew.

LoL, and from the same source :D

But actually I dont' read that blog post as giving up on Nebula.
More regarding scoring part. All have their own bad days after all.

EDIT: and after _my_ thinking for few minutes (LoL) the problem could be even more alike CreditNew than seems from first glance. I mean the task to assign SINGLE numerical value for the set of uncomparable properties.

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After a project lasting over 20 years, he signs off with "but after thinking about it for a few minutes..."?

This bit:

Wait a minute, something's wrong here! The optimization seems to want to push the weights to either plus or minus infinity.

Well, d'oh!!

sounds a lot like CreditNew.

The message has the heading "Multiplet scoring: back to the drawing board". I understand that David found his multiplet scoring function to be unusable in a practical experiment. He doesn't think it makes sense to tinker with it further. It's not about Nebula as a whole, but about developing a usable scoring function. Therefore: back to the drawing board.

[edited:] typed while Raistmer was faster.

I was tempted to mention the same thing over at that same thread, but I'm still in 2 minds about doing that.
Cheers

. . Not ready to poke the bear?

Stephen

:)

LoL, and from the same source :D

But actually I dont' read that blog post as giving up on Nebula.
More regarding scoring part. All have their own bad days after all.

EDIT: and after _my_ thinking for few minutes (LoL) the problem could be even more alike CreditNew than seems from first glance. I mean the task to assign SINGLE numerical value for the set of uncomparable properties.

. . He prefaces the blog entry by stating that objective, to optimise the scoring by devising a weighting protocol. So I am sure that last comment must be taken in that context. Shelving the optimisation for now and coming back to it later with a fresher approach.

Stephen

. . He prefaces the blog entry by stating that objective, to optimise the scoring by devising a weighting protocol. So I am sure that last comment must be taken in that context. Shelving the optimisation for now and coming back to it later with a fresher approach.

Such a shame that didn't happen when developing Credit New.

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. . He prefaces the blog entry by stating that objective, to optimise the scoring by devising a weighting protocol. So I am sure that last comment must be taken in that context. Shelving the optimisation for now and coming back to it later with a fresher approach.

Such a shame that didn't happen when developing Credit New.

. . Too late to lament that now. The show is pretty much over ...

Stephen

< shrug >

. . FWIW I have only between 20 and 85 yet to be validated tasks on my rigs, totalling not much more than 200 over the 5 machines. If this is indicative of the other hosts remaining in service then we must be very close to the point where they can pull the pin on all uncompleted tasks in the field and force them to resends. At that point things will be sorted in minutes or hours at most. IF that is what the boffins decide to do.

Stephen

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. . He prefaces the blog entry by stating that objective, to optimise the scoring by devising a weighting protocol. So I am sure that last comment must be taken in that context. Shelving the optimisation for now and coming back to it later with a fresher approach.

Such a shame that didn't happen when developing Credit New.

. . Too late to lament that now. The show is pretty much over ...

Yeah, but here are still others out there afflicted with it.

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