Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde says that on Sunday morning she received a "long, long text" from Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif apologizing for the shooting.
- He assures that the investigation will be complete and comprehensive, that we listen to those who have been lost, and that Iran should, above all, support the families. But these are only words, and now they must be followed by action, says Linde.
Well, we will see about that... The Swedish trust to Iranian officials has dropped to zero!

Iran's leaders are facing a second day of protests following their admission the military shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane, killing all 176 people on board, many of them Iranians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51081833

In one apparently symbolic act rejecting state propaganda, video showed students taking care not to walk over US and Israeli flags painted on the ground at Shahid Beheshti university in Tehran.
In some social media clips, protesters can be heard chanting anti-government slogans, including: "They are lying that our enemy is America, our enemy is right here."
Unverified social media footage showed clapping and chanting protesters in Tehran's Azadi square - and reports of clashes with security forces.
Scores of protesters were also reported at sites in other cities.

... The radar signature of a cruise missile is many times smaller than that of a 737...

Or there was a tired highly stressed 'operator' at the end of a long all-nighter jittery on a hair-trigger instinctive response to anything that appeared on the radar.

And then there was the first flight of the day...

It wasn't the first flight of the day. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/10/world/middleeast/iran-tehran-airport-crash-flights.html

Thanks for that. Interesting... And very interesting Iran maintained a normal flights schedule regardless of the flying missiles!

So what was so deadly different for that one flight?

Flat batteries for the missile operator's ATC receiver?... Morning prayers??


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And very interesting Iran maintained a normal flights schedule regardless of the flying missiles!
So what was so deadly different for that one flight?

PS752 didn't depart at scheduled time is one theory. It was one hour late and didn't match the Tor-M1 operator's tick list perhaps and then... Boom...
But the airport should of course have been closed before that.

Oh.
https://twitter.com/AbasAslani/status/1215942737557671936

#IRGC commander:Operator of air defense system was told that cruise missiles [PS572] had been fired [toward sites in #Iran]...he identified the plane as cruise, but he had to contact to get permission.He couldn't contact as communication line had problem & made the decision in 10 seconds.

There's a new video, in NYT - Video Shows Ukrainian Plane Being Hit Over Iran, it is actually the 2nd one, the 1st only lasts 39 sec.

There's a new video, in NYT - Video Shows Ukrainian Plane Being Hit Over Iran, it is actually the 2nd one, the 1st only lasts 39 sec.

Also available at Global News, https://globalnews.ca/news/6410942/iran-plane-crash-two-missiles/

One of the people who filmed when the Iranian army shot down the Ukrainian plane has been arrested and may be prosecuted for endangering the security of the kingdom. The BBC reports.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51119415
Iranian media reports that the country's Islamic Revolutionary Guard has seized a person who filmed the missile that hit the Ukrainian Boeing plane which, according to Iran, was accidentally shot down. The clip was used by experts to analyze the event and spread widely on the web.
But uncertainty prevails over whether it is really the person behind the scattered clip that has been seized. According to Iranian journalist Nariman Gharib, who lives in London and who has interviewed the author behind the clip, that person is not deprived of liberty.
Nariman Gharib writes on Twitter that he has spoken to the person, saying that the Revolutionary Guard has arrested the wrong person.

One of the people who filmed when the Iranian army shot down the Ukrainian plane has been arrested and may be prosecuted for endangering the security of the kingdom. The BBC reports.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51119415
Iranian media reports that the country's Islamic Revolutionary Guard has seized a person who filmed the missile that hit the Ukrainian Boeing plane which, according to Iran, was accidentally shot down. The clip was used by experts to analyze the event and spread widely on the web.
But uncertainty prevails over whether it is really the person behind the scattered clip that has been seized. According to Iranian journalist Nariman Gharib, who lives in London and who has interviewed the author behind the clip, that person is not deprived of liberty.
Nariman Gharib writes on Twitter that he has spoken to the person, saying that the Revolutionary Guard has arrested the wrong person.

Either the film-er was fairly lucky, timing wise or ... ? Filmed by someone in the military?

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Looking at the two videos I'd go for one of each. The first appeared to know where to look, while the second jumped onto the bright light.

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Filmed by someone in the military?

Could well been. It's filmed from a strange compound with several watchdogs that clearly can be heard from the video.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1215661629842608129
Apparently it's a massive missile launch and research facility and not only residences for the staff of Imam Khomeini International Airport at the new city Parand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parand

In its first Friday prayer in eight years, Iran's top leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei commented on the dramatic developments in the country last week.
The shooting of the Ukrainian passenger plane, which resulted in the death of 176 people, he described as a tragic event.
But the outside world has taken advantage of the event to focus on the US killing of top general Qassem Soleimani, he felt.
He also paid tribute to Iran's retaliation, the missile attacks against US military bases in Iraq. They showed that "God is with us," Khamenei said.

He's politician with wallpaper trying to cover up the flaws in his countries defense systems.

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There is none, they both start with a P.

Iran examining Ukrainian plane’s black box
https://en.irna.ir/news/83639623/Iran-examining-Ukrainian-plane-s-black-box
Peter Swaffer of the Swedish Accident Investigation Board (SHK) warns that the information on the tachographs can be destroyed if the reading is done without the right skills.
- I do not know what equipment or personnel they have managed to obtain, but it is not people you advertise for, but people who work in various accident commission's specialist lab and nothing else. We know what countries and people it is. I don't find it likely at all that they could complete the download, and I don't understand what is going on now, Swaffer says.
Important information on the tachographs may disappear if handled incorrectly. Swaffer says, for example, it can be about circuit boards that need a lot of handling to be restored in a good enough condition for them to communicate with other components.
- This is not an intact box that you plug in a cord and everything is ready and it appears on a screen. It is a shattered device that requires extremely carefully handling, says Swaffer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-51077352/iran-plane-crash-missile-struck-underneath-cockpit-ukraine

The pilots were immediately killed by the first missile explosion.

Or... From those later videos and the assumed flight track:

Were one or both of the pilots still alive and flying the stricken plane back to the airport until 30 seconds later they were then totally destroyed by the second missile?



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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-51077352/iran-plane-crash-missile-struck-underneath-cockpit-ukraine

The pilots were immediately killed by the first missile explosion.

Or... From those later videos and the assumed flight track:

Were one or both of the pilots still alive and flying the stricken plane back to the airport until 30 seconds later they were then totally destroyed by the second missile?

That only matters the the macabre.

What matters is the flight data to see how the air-frame responded under stress and if there are any weak points that should be reinforced in a subsequent design.

Or... From those later videos and the assumed flight track:

Were one or both of the pilots still alive and flying the stricken plane back to the airport until 30 seconds later they were then totally destroyed by the second missile?

That only matters the the macabre.

That will be very much of interest to the crash investigators and the insurance/legal people...

What matters is the flight data to see how the air-frame responded under stress and if there are any weak points that should be reinforced in a subsequent design.

What?! We are now to make passenger airliners proof against anti-aircraft missiles??!



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What matters is the flight data to see how the air-frame responded under stress and if there are any weak points that should be reinforced in a subsequent design.

What?! We are now to make passenger airliners proof against anti-aircraft missiles??!

If the capability exists and until such time as humans become non-violent (if ever), why would we not endeavor to protect civilians?

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Or... From those later videos and the assumed flight track:

Were one or both of the pilots still alive and flying the stricken plane back to the airport until 30 seconds later they were then totally destroyed by the second missile?

That only matters the the macabre.

That will be very much of interest to the crash investigators and the insurance/legal people...

What matters is the flight data to see how the air-frame responded under stress and if there are any weak points that should be reinforced in a subsequent design.

What?! We are now to make passenger airliners proof against anti-aircraft missiles??!

I was thinking more along the lines of uncontained engine fan blades, explosive decompression and or inadvertent flight into extreme turbulence.

But yes, harden against terrorist manpads isn't a bad idea.

NYT - Iran Acknowledges It Fired 2 Missiles at Ukrainian Jet

It also appeared to walk back a promise to sent the jet’s data recorders abroad for analysis, asking the United States and France to send the necessary equipment to Iran instead.