Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (2)
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 Keith Myers   Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 
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If you are referencing the switch by the local government of Munich, the reasons were mainly political. Also, they managed to negotiate a very good, one-off, bottom dollar licensing agreement with M$ to return to the fold because of the threat to remain with LiMux. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours   A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Jord  Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 
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Windows 10 1903 is being rolled out, so watch out for your BOINC/GPU detection. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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Oh, Sophos has a bug. ML wants to blame Doze. World will continue. Ahhh... I see you miss the significance... So let's see... 1: Sophos Antivirus works 2: A Windows Update occurs 3: Your PC/laptop/server no longer boots up. The cause-and-effect there is that a Windows update can be such that with some random bit of 3rd-party anti-virus software, your machine is then rendered useless. So why should any installed software have anything to do with killing the bootup process...? (Something silly such as parts of the new updates look like a virus or malware?... And note that Windows users must run anti-virus...) IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13928 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 
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It would appear you miss the significance- such things have occurred in the past on many occasions, because other software companies don't follow the requirements. When issues with the OS are fixed, it breaks software that takes advantages of the previous issues. Grant Darwin NT |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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... The cause-and-effect there is that a Windows update can be such that with some random bit of 3rd-party anti-virus software, your machine is then rendered useless. ... And that exactly is the significance... Maintainability becomes ever more difficult, for everyone including the paying users... Also, there is the aside significance of the need for any anti-virus being needed in the first place... But that's more for a thread over in Politics! IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier    Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31256 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Log on a Sophos machine: PID ABCD {sophos] has called XYZ, this is depreciated, please use PDQ instead. Somehow this is Doze' fault when the depreciated call is removed. Sorry, I'm not purchasing. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Log on a Sophos machine: PID ABCD {sophos] has called XYZ, this is depreciated, please use PDQ instead. And that sort of thing should merely cause an annoying error. Not kill the entire machine dead. Even better, Windows should not break userspace with updates, especially so on the same one Windows 10. For non-backwards-compatible changes that will break existing software, those changes should be only to a whole new system with a whole new major version number. Windows 11 anyone? Sorry, I'm not purchasing. Exactly. IT is what we allow it to be... Martin ps: More seriously - "... policy to never break user space?" See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Roll along for the latest of the never ending 'updates': Microsoft Windows 10 'Burger King' build 1903: Have it your way... and it may still leave a nasty taste in your mouth The May 2019 update is out and it's optional, for a while Microsoft on Tuesday released Windows 10, version 1903, aka the May 2019 Update, without forcing it on folks. As mentioned last month, the US software super-biz has decided to let users of its operating system have more say in how and when updates get applied. The new humility comes after hearing feedback that update problems in April and October last year were not appreciated... All very humble and with good humility? But note the 'known issues...' It is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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A little something that is NOT in the latest of the Microsoft patches/updates: Bug-hunter reveals another 'make me admin' Windows 10 zero-day – and vows: 'There's more where that came from' Vulnerability can be exploited to turn users into system stars, no patch available yet... ... The discovered hole can be exploited by malware and rogue logged-in users to gain system-level privileges on Windows 10 and recent Server releases, allowing them to gain full control of the machine. No patch exists for this bug, details and exploit code for which were shared online on Tuesday for anyone to use and abuse... ... the exploit works against a fully patched and up-to-date version of Windows 10, 32 and 64-bit, as well as Windows Server 2016 and 2019. Windows 8 and 7 appear unaffected by the 'sploit as it currently stands... ... To be generous to Microsoft, privilege escalation flaws are a dime a dozen in Windows... What a holey holy mess?... IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Cliff Harding  Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67
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Have been running on v1903 for last 48 hrs., and no problems so far.   I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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A small headache and more wasted time for those managing Windows updates for a fleet of olden Windows boxen: Headsup for those managing Windows 10 boxen: Microsoft has tweaked patching rules ... Microsoft is desperate for enterprises to update their PC fleets to Windows 10 and, in the face of ongoing indifference, has opted to, er, make life briefly a little harder for admins tasked with managing the things... ... Or, of course, you could just let that fleet of workstations download updates themselves as and when Microsoft sees fit to release them. What could possibly go wrong? In order to head off the inevitable admin grumbles, Microsoft explained [gave excuses]... So... Whatever happened to "backwards compatibility"? Or even the courtesy of a conversion update first that would be one task for Microsoft vs all their customers manually repeating that mindless task?... What can possibly go wrong...? IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67
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For those of us who have upgraded to v1903 (build 18362.116), have you noticed that the system requires more CPU usage? Prior to the upgrade I was running BOINC at 80% (4 GPU & 2 CPU) with the total system usage at 89 - 92 %). Immediately after the upgrade using the same BOINC settings, the total system usage went to and stayed at 100%. Everything was running okay until this morning while playing Solitaire and system hung up twice. After the last time I had to reduce the BOINC settings to 70 % ( 2 GPU & 3 CPU) to get the total system usage back to the original total system usage of 89 - 92%. The question -- Is anyone else experiencing the same approx. conditions, and what did you do to resolve it? I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Siran d'Vel'nahr  Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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For those of us who have upgraded to v1903 (build 18362.116), have you noticed that the system requires more CPU usage? Prior to the upgrade I was running BOINC at 80% (4 GPU & 2 CPU) with the total system usage at 89 - 92 %). Immediately after the upgrade using the same BOINC settings, the total system usage went to and stayed at 100%. Everything was running okay until this morning while playing Solitaire and system hung up twice. After the last time I had to reduce the BOINC settings to 70 % ( 2 GPU & 3 CPU) to get the total system usage back to the original total system usage of 89 - 92%. The question -- Is anyone else experiencing the same approx. conditions, and what did you do to resolve it? Hi Cliff, I don't have 1903 yet. Have you checked what Task Manager has to say about the added CPU usage? That would be my first look; see what it is that is hogging the CPU. Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Wiggo  Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 37981 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489
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Well today another Win10 laptop is going to be going home with Linux Mint on it instead. Cheers. |
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Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67
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For those of us who have upgraded to v1903 (build 18362.116), have you noticed that the system requires more CPU usage? Prior to the upgrade I was running BOINC at 80% (4 GPU & 2 CPU) with the total system usage at 89 - 92 %). Immediately after the upgrade using the same BOINC settings, the total system usage went to and stayed at 100%. Everything was running okay until this morning while playing Solitaire and system hung up twice. After the last time I had to reduce the BOINC settings to 70 % ( 2 GPU & 3 CPU) to get the total system usage back to the original total system usage of 89 - 92%. The question -- Is anyone else experiencing the same approx. conditions, and what did you do to resolve it? The only thing that really stands out is that all of my SETI tasks went from 12% CPU to bouncing between 12.9 - 14%. Until the upgrade they pegged at 12% and stayed there. I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
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Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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For those of us who have upgraded to v1903 (build 18362.116), have you noticed that the system requires more CPU usage? Prior to the upgrade I was running BOINC at 80% (4 GPU & 2 CPU) with the total system usage at 89 - 92 %). Immediately after the upgrade using the same BOINC settings, the total system usage went to and stayed at 100%. Everything was running okay until this morning while playing Solitaire and system hung up twice. After the last time I had to reduce the BOINC settings to 70 % ( 2 GPU & 3 CPU) to get the total system usage back to the original total system usage of 89 - 92%. The question -- Is anyone else experiencing the same approx. conditions, and what did you do to resolve it? Hi Cliff, Ok, so it's not Windows that is using more CPU, but the SETI WUs that are using more than before the upgrade to 1903. Hmmm... That's weird. I just looked at mine in Task Manager and all 9 of mine are using an avg. 9.5 each. I'll have to see if mine does the same thing when 1903 hit's my PC. I have no suggestions beyond this point. :( Perhaps others might. Have a great day! :) Siran [edit] Something else I noticed. I have a system monitor gadget on my desktop and it says that CPU usage is avg. 77%, but Task Manager tells me that 88% is used. I'll have to check into this difference between them. [/edit] CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67
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For those of us who have upgraded to v1903 (build 18362.116), have you noticed that the system requires more CPU usage? Prior to the upgrade I was running BOINC at 80% (4 GPU & 2 CPU) with the total system usage at 89 - 92 %). Immediately after the upgrade using the same BOINC settings, the total system usage went to and stayed at 100%. Everything was running okay until this morning while playing Solitaire and system hung up twice. After the last time I had to reduce the BOINC settings to 70 % ( 2 GPU & 3 CPU) to get the total system usage back to the original total system usage of 89 - 92%. The question -- Is anyone else experiencing the same approx. conditions, and what did you do to resolve it? Now that you've mentioned it I use Outertech's Cacheman 10.10 and there is a discrepancy between it and the task manager also. What system monitor are you using? I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
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Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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Hi Cliff, Now that you've mentioned it I use Outertech's Cacheman 10.10 and there is a discrepancy between it and the task manager also. What system monitor are you using? The one I use is called System Monitor II. It shows CPU usage and total, used and free RAM and Page File usage. It shows current and record uptime as well. It has many other system monitoring items in the setup options. It supports multi-CPU systems. The version I have is v24.2. Since Windows 10 has no desktop gadgets I got a gadgets program that replaces what was in Windows 7. It's called 8GadgetPackSetup.msi. Looks virtually identical to Win7's Gadgets if memory serves. :) I thought that System Monitor II was a stand-alone gadget, but it shows up in the gadget pack. I just checked and it is a stand-alone, or at least it was a single download. Perhaps it gets added to the gadget pack. I got the gadget pack in 2015 and the system monitor in 2018. That gadget pack has 2 other meters in it one called All CPU Meter the other just CPU Meter. I placed those 2 on the desktop and all 3 are virtually identical in their readings. Task Manager is close with RAM usage but about 10% higher on CPU usage. I would tend to believe the readings of the meters I have on the desktop before Task Manager's readings. Hope this helps more. :) Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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This isn't going to go down well... Two weeks after Microsoft warned of Windows RDP worms, a million internet-facing boxes [and likely many more, are] still vulnerable If you haven't patched CVE-2019-0708 aka BlueKeep, then, well, now would be a good time The critical Windows Remote Desktop flaw that emerged this month may have set the stage for the worst malware attack in years... There are a goin' to be burnt fingers for that one... IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21703 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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All quiet in the world of Windows 10? Meanwhile, over for their mega-app "Office", we have: Like using the latest version of Microsoft Office? Love Offline Files? Not for long! If you want to use offline files then you need to, er, stay online Microsoft Office users, eagerly upgrading to the latest and greatest version of the company's productivity suite, have found that the venerable Offline Files function has gone, er, offline... Any onsite backups anywhere?... IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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