"The question before us isn't between a perfect future and a flawed future, it's between two flawed futures, one of which is much, much more flawed than the other one is," he added.

OMG, a politician agreeing with the Professor? Whatever will we see next?
The lessor of 2 evils

Full list of candidates

Couldn't happen to a nicer person

Just when you thought that there was no possibility for things to ever get any worse...

Scottish backstop?

650 donkeys in the room, yet one can't be found to pin the tail on

Just to note, the petition to the UK Government "Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU" reached 6 million votes and counting.

And that is for those participants that are IT connected enough to work through the clicks...

Hopefully the unfolding story and ongoing rhetoric will become much more sensible so as to avoid a civil war...


All in the Putin sponsored UK Politics...
Martin

This oft quoted 6 Million petition was signed by none UK Citizens from across the Globe, and the evidence of this has been proven in the media, it is not a credible petition.

Indeed, it would only be of some MSM interest if a tad over another 11 Million people signed it, but it still remains an unconvincing poll, and isn't a democratic vote: we had a Democratic People's vote in 2016, the result of which is not subject to dispute.

We also had a General Election inn 2017 where 80+% of the Electorate voted for Party's with Manifestos that guaranteed they would implement Brexit on the terms of the 2016 Vote.

Earlier this month at Local Council Elections across the UK, we've had the Electorate reject both the current policy of Conservative and Labour Party 's continuous attempts to frustrate and undermine the Implementation of Brexit on the terms of the 2016 Vote. There were an awful lot of spoiled ballot papers, and an awful lot of people refused to vote, yet with the reduced voter turn out, the only people happy were the Liberal Democrats, who are the only Party that aren't being vague about wanting to Remain in the UK, they see this as a Victory, and some sort of indication that the British Public have rejected Brexit. They are deluded.

The new Brexit Party standing in the European Union Elections on the 23rd of this month have been polling at up to 38%, they formed the Party just over a month ago. they are likely to sweep the board in less than a week, and will then decide whether they are standing candidates in the next UK General Election.

Meanwhile the Conservative Party wish to obfuscate the politics and change its Leader again, no-one is really interested, but as PM Theresa May is now regarded as a Traitor by a vast proportion of the Electorate, its probably time she was told to 'Go forth and multiply' in less than polite terms; but another General Election will be the only way this country will decide its future, and I predict that the legacy party's are likely to be wiped out.

There's also the looming High Court Case being pursued by the English Democrats, the fact that Treason May has over stepped her legal powers by presenting her extension to Article 50 beyond the Leave Date of 29th March 2019 at 11pm, (this date was created by an Act of Parliament), as some sort of prerogative power, when in fact the only way the date could be changed is by another Act of Parliament. The legal argument is that we have left the EU already.

Interesting times.

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There's also the looming High Court Case being pursued by the English Democrats, the fact that Treason May has over stepped her legal powers by presenting her extension to Article 50 beyond the Leave Date of 29th March 2019 at 11pm, (this date was created by an Act of Parliament), as some sort of prerogative power, when in fact the only way the date could be changed is by another Act of Parliament. The legal argument is that we have left the EU already.

Further evidence which confirms the oft stated working class quote "0ne law for them & one law for us".

I say that Revoking article 50 and remaining is probably a good idea and probably matches the present day opinion of those that could now vote if there was a second referendum, even if all those that voted in the first one did not change their vote.

The reasoning is that the majority of retirees voted for Brexit, but some of these have now died, and therefore cannot vote in a 2nd referendum. These would also be replaced by those now old enough to vote and if these vote as per their generation they will overwhelmingly vote to remain. This decision is going to affect the young a lot more than the old codgers like me. This swing probably happened at the beginning of this year.

The reasoning is that the majority of retirees voted for Brexit, but some of these have now died, and therefore cannot vote in a 2nd referendum. These would also be replaced by those now old enough to vote and if these vote as per their generation they will overwhelmingly vote to remain. This decision is going to affect the young a lot more than the old codgers like me. This swing probably happened at the beginning of this year.

I think the outcome of a second referendum (if held) in the UK, is quite obvious the longer the time passes.

I say that Revoking article 50 and remaining is probably a good idea and probably matches the present day opinion of those that could now vote if there was a second referendum, even if all those that voted in the first one did not change their vote.

The reasoning is that the majority of retirees voted for Brexit, but some of these have now died, and therefore cannot vote in a 2nd referendum. These would also be replaced by those now old enough to vote and if these vote as per their generation they will overwhelmingly vote to remain. This decision is going to affect the young a lot more than the old codgers like me. This swing probably happened at the beginning of this year.

Revoking Article 50 and Remaining in the EU would cause Civil Unrest, I'm sure the resulting deaths, serious injury, property damage, and loss to our economy are reason enough to reject your idea as too dangerous. Democracy would have been betrayed, and the Sovereignty of the People stolen, and given away to the unelected Mandarins in the EU Commission.

Your proposal would also mean the end of the United Kingdom by 2022, yet some of us signed contracts in the form of Oaths, to defend the United Kingdom with our lives if necessary, so to put it mildly, I very much disagree and reject your proposal.

Your ageist reasoning is rather unpalatable, and your assumptions on voter intentions are just that, assumptions only.

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Brexit probably means the end of the United Kingdom as almost certainly Scotland will have another vote on Independence and probably win as they voted to stay, So that they can rejoin the EU.
The options in Ireland still haven't been worked out. We cannot undo the good work that means free passage over that border. Closing it and requiring all the normal border checks will probably see a resurgence in violence, we have seen a bit already. Having a border internally within the UK is stupid and will probably be challenged. And as I served my time in the Army from 1961 to 1982, you can see I covered the whole period of the troubles and have wish to see them repeated.
IMHO if Brexit occurs then reuniting Ireland into one country is probably the best option.

Brexit therefore means the UK will be no more.

At best it will be a United England and Wales. And I'm pretty sure there are some Welsh that would prefer separation.

I don't see much of a United Kingdom to defend.

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13:59
Lunchtime summary: Where are we now?
It's been a breathless few hours in Westminster, so a few key points:
• Theresa May came to the Commons - indeed, she's still there - to further explain and champion what she's calling a "new Brexit deal" - an attempt at offering compromise to get Brexit done
• Jeremy Corbyn made it clear Labour is against it, as did the SNP and DUP
• Add to that, there is anger from many Conservative backbenchers who say they won't support the bill either. Brexiteers have torn strips off it - and even those who've backed her in the past, like Nicky Morgan, urged the PM not to bring the doomed bill forward for a vote
• The BBC's political editor says things are getting worse by the hour for the prime minister, with meetings about her future taking place behind the scenes.
• Nevertheless, Theresa May insists the bill will be published on Friday and voted on at the beginning of June. She says it remains the last and only way of getting Brexit done.

I'll ask again: CAN anyone see Brexit actually happening?

Tomorrow, the British are going to the polls to vote in the EU elections. A choice they voted almost three years ago for not having to participate.
The UK Government plans to present a fourth revised bill that will determine how the UK EU withdrawal will proceed.
Now the Leader of the House of Commons, Andrea Leadsom, filed a resignation application today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48374098

In a letter to the prime minister, Mrs Leadsom - MP for South Northamptonshire - said she did not believe "the UK would be a truly sovereign United Kingdom through the deal that is now proposed".

Just another causality of the Brexit stupidity.

Sadness and fear in Scunthorpe after British Steel liquidation.

Nope. British Steel was in difficulties long before the referendum & Brexit.

Nope. British Steel was in difficulties long before the referendum & Brexit.

Well, you just need Rump to fortify its backbone! LOL

I think people are fed up with the whole situation. In my ward there are quite a few polling stations. Up to 20:30 there have only been 181 voters out of a potential 1500+ for the one in my area. To make it worse, we have another election in 2 weeks for a new MP.

I think people are fed up with the whole situation. In my ward there are quite a few polling stations. Up to 20:30 there have only been 181 voters out of a potential 1500+ for the one in my area. To make it worse, we have another election in 2 weeks for a new MP.

Uh, that's how Rump won here!

Well the 2 major parties got a good kicking in the local elections, so here's hoping they'll get an extra one. 3 years wasted in my view. Personally, I feel that Cameron knew what would happen so got out PDQ & what took his place is "unmentionable" on these boards. :-(

Well the 2 major parties got a good kicking in the local elections, so here's hoping they'll get an extra one. 3 years wasted in my view. Personally, I feel that Cameron knew what would happen so got out PDQ & what took his place is "unmentionable" on these boards. :-(

Which means that any pretence that politicians run "for the good of the country" is blown out of the water.

Each one is in it for themselves, and we need to switch to voting for the person, not the label. Which will need a lot of personal research...