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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
What is ECU membership? Do you mean the Eurozone? Euro is not contingent on EU membership. 9 EU countries doesn't have euros. These are Bulgaria, Denmark, Croatia, Poland, Romania, the United Kingdom, Sweden, the Czech Republic and Hungary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
More widely, though, there is less tolerance of even low-level leaks since Mr Johnson took over as PM.BoJo taking a leaf out of Trump's playbook? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
It's all starting to sound very 17th century over here. They're starting to talk about the "Claim of Rights 1689"... http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aosp/1689/28?view=plain Wheras King James the Seventh Being a profest papist did assume the Regall power and acted as King without ever takeing the oath required by law wherby the King at his access to the government is obliged to swear To maintain the protestant religion and to rule the people according to the laudable lawes And Did By the advyce of wicked and evill Counsellers Invade the fundamentall Constitution of this Kingdome And altered it from a legall limited monarchy to ane Arbitrary Despotick power and in a publick proclamation asserted ane absolute power to cass annull and dissable all the lawes particularly arraigning the lawes Establishing the protestant religion and did Exerce that power to the subversion of the protestant Religion and to the violation of the lawes and liberties of the Kingdome |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Oh I don't know, those old laws still on the books come in handy at times. My own favourite is the 1896 Right to Light Act. :-) There sure is a huge echo in politics at the moment... ...Several days after this speech...we get this...and this |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30932 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It's all starting to sound very 17th century over here. They're starting to talk about the "Claim of Rights 1689"... Interesting. Protest, ORIGIN late Middle English (as a verb in the sense ‘make a solemn declaration’): from Old French protester, from Latin protestari, from pro- ‘forth, publicly’ + testari ‘assert’ (from testis ‘witness’). |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
While the "Protestant" sect of Christianity probably did get its name from a group of people who had made a solemn assertion of their faith, I don't see any other reference to protest in the segment quoted. These days, we would probably spell the eighth word on the first line as "professed", which - it turns out - has a similar dual meaning. 1) That has taken the vows of a religious order 2) Self-acknowledged; openly declared by oneself (both from the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary) It was, indeed, the similarity in tone between the religious arguments of the 17th century and the Brexit arguments of the 21st that led me to look up the reference. The Claim of Rights was followed the following year by the Battle of the Boyne between armies led by the same two protagonists, and that battle has coloured the relationship between the two partitions of the island of Ireland ever since. I hope we won't still be arguing the merits of Brexit in another 329 years ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You gotta love politicians. :-) It’s all out war in the Conservative party this morning, after the former Tory Prime Minister John Major announced that he was joining a legal action (started by the Remain campaigner Gina Miller) which will argue that Boris Johnson’s prorogation of parliament was unlawful. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Even a sinner may repent - sometimes. I'd suggest Jonathan Aitken MP as an example. After his memorable 'Sword of truth and shield of righteousness' televised press conference, he was eventually jailed for perjury. In prison, he 'got God', and was later ordained as a prison chaplain: and has become a pretty decent campaigner for prison reform. It will be interesting to see which side of his persona is exposed to Jeremy Paxman next week (Monday 2 September, Channel 5, 9 pm). |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I'll watch out for that on Monday. As for Major, he won't repent, he's still a snobbish nimby. Caused problems for truckers in the nineties & noughties by attempting to get goods vehicles banned from going through the Stukeleys as a shortcut to the industrial areas in Huntingdon. He didn't quite succeed but did get time restrictions imposed. His property is well away from Ermine Street, the main road through there. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Here we go. :-(I've given up making predictions. The latest imbecility is (allegedly) threatening to call a General Election in the middle of a McCarthyite witch-hunt: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Remainer tendency?" If so, you cannot hold an 'office of profit under the Crown' (i.e., be employed in the public sector); you cannot stand for public elective office; and, I suspect, you soon won't be able to vote for anyone else, either. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Here we go again... Boris Johnson wants the UK to leave the EU on 31 October. But the way there is not very easy. During Thursday afternoon, Tory member Philip Lee chose to step down from the party. Johnson is no longer in the majority for tonight's vote. If the opposition wins tonight's vote, it has been previously reported that Johnson is expected to proposing new elections. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well the s*** has hit the fan! Breaking news |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Ok. Do I understand it right that the UK now will still be a member of the EU for at least 6 months more? Well, why rush:) |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Ok. Do I understand it right that the UK now will still be a member of the EU for at least 6 months more?It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid: there are several more rounds to come. Continuing the 17th century theme, my news paper had this, this morning: The debate on our current crisis has concentrated on proroguing, but it is no more than the instrument of what has occurred: the executive has moved against the parliament. Not tricked it, outwitted it, bullied it, or won it round – moved explicitly against it. You cannot find precedent for this in the debates surrounding the Falklands war, or the national government of 1931; you’re squarely on the territory of the English civil war. To watch it happen and accede to it with silence would be unpatriotic, an act of bad citizenship.And during the debate, the minister for the 17th. century laid himself along the front bench as if it were a chaise longue: they'll be bringing their chatelaines into the chamber next. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Depends on whether or not an election will be held & who wins. If one is held then both the Tories & Labour will end up "Faraged". :-) Meanwhile up North Jeebers creepers, whatever next? Transient Visitor Levy Bill - creates a discretionary power for local authorities to apply a tax or levy on overnight visitor stays. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Ah, welcome. Another recruit from the 17th. century. You'd enjoy a pint at the Prospect of Whitby with your old chum Judge Jeffreys, while you mull over how best to resolve our current century's failures. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
So what happens next? 1. Parliament seeks to put an end to a no-deal Brexit 2. Possible no confidence vote 3. Britain can hold new elections 4. An agreement is reached before October 31 5. A cancelled Brexit Sigh.... |
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