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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Which means that any pretence that politicians run "for the good of the country" is blown out of the water.+1 If the 2 named gentlemen were my MP's they would get my vote each & every time. Mike Hancock Norman Lamb. Used to vote for Bella Saltmarsh (Liberal Party) because she cared for her community. Moving out of the area & changing party cost her dearly & I said so on these boards - It did. Edit: Monday would be "absolutely fabulous" |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I haven't trusted European leaders for 45 years. Throughout the 1980's, that mistrust was only confirmed by Maggie Thatcher's interactions with them. For the past 28 years, felt that the EU will oversee the destruction of the UK. Whether or not that would have happened is no longer an issue. Looking at most of the mainstream media this morning, the 650 biggest benefit scroungers in Britain has done it for them. Bye Bye... ...Britain |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Actually, I think we've done it to ourselves. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Disagree. We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT. It should never have been held. There was no referendums for Major's & Brown's commitments to EU treaties, so parliament should have voted on In or Out in 2016. By handing the decision to the electorate they assumed that we were too dumb & would stay in. The result shocked them which is why the past 3 years have been wasted, Had the leave vote in parliament held the majority, then go to a public referendum. Had they got the same result, we would now be out of the EU for 56 days. Edit: To show how dumb party politicians are just look at Boris Johnson in his book "The Churchill Factor" - Blames Labour for the current situation as they refused the French invitation to discuss the Steel & Coal council in 1950. He forgot who took us into the EEC. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
My "We" comprises four different groupings, represented in both of the two main political parties: * Front bench politicians - the ones we see mostly on TV * Back bench politicians - a few performing TV monkeys, but mostly decent, silent, people * Signed up party political members * Party political voters Each of these groups, on both sides of the aisle, thinks that the other groups on their side of the aisle are "just like us". That ain't true any more, and the assumptions fail. That's why I say that "we" got it wrong - because we let the old "we" fall apart, possibly when we handed all political thought over to the free market. We could perhaps discuss your edit in that context, but I have to go offline now. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Thanks Richard. I thought you meant all of us. To give you a laugh to enjoy the rest of your day, a quote from a report - it has me ROFLMAO. Speaking at a Brexit Party rally in Olympia, West London, Mr Farage said: “The way we’re crushing the Labour vote in Wales, the Midlands, the north, we might we get rid of Jeremy Corbyn too! How about that, buy one get one free!†|
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36385 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT.But that didn't have an exit plan in place at that time and a lot of people didn't even understand the repercussions of it Sirius. I'd like to see how another exit vote would go now that all can see all the factors that are actually involved. ;-) Cheers. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Wasn't necessary 22:00 23/6/16 to 23:00 29/3/19 - a total of 1009 days to not only provide an exit plan but more than enough time for the Department of Trade & Industry & other relevant Departments to have scenarios in place to cover whatever result occurred on exit day.We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT.But that didn't have an exit plan in place at that time and a lot of people didn't even understand the repercussions of it Sirius. Instead, all that has been seen is a massive waste of public funds & squabbling like kids, which is still continuing. Steve Double MP Still squabbling |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
All without a mention of David Cameron (except as 'last elected leader') or John Major's "bastards". |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Those two were too busy "chillaxing" & enjoying "curried eggs". :-) |
iwazaru Send message Joined: 31 Oct 99 Posts: 173 Credit: 509,430 RAC: 0 |
Never thought I'd actually ENJOY a trip to the voting booth, I thought it would always be a chore... To no-one's surprise - I'm sure - I voted for DiEM25 (Varoufakis) :) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I enjoyed the last 2, 2/5 & 23/5. Also going to enjoy the next one on the 75th Anniversary of D-Day. :-) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30932 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Of course. That was the intent of not having an exit plan in place to go with the vote. Too make it so [fill in the blank] that it would enrich by waste. BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal? Or would there have been enough people who wouldn't have liked any given deal that the remain would have won? Along the lines of if the deal doesn't matter then why wasn't May's deal taken? After all if the deal doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter!Instead, all that has been seen is a massive waste of public funds & squabbling like kids, which is still continuing.We got a public referendum in 2016 asking IN or OUT.But that didn't have an exit plan in place at that time and a lot of people didn't even understand the repercussions of it Sirius. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Of course. That was the intent of not having an exit plan in place to go with the vote.No plan was needed as they were too smug in their belief that the electorate were/are too dumb to think for themselves. The number 1 mantra of British leadership "WE know best" has been floundering for some time, but May's snap election together with the results of the local elections earlier this month has sunk it. BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal?No because of 650 personal & party agendas. What we have seen & continue to see with the leadership contest just confirms that. For example: Phillip HammondSomeone should tell him that this is a democratic country & any Minister who ignores the electorate does so at their own peril. Rory StewartSomeone should tell him that he is there to serve the best interests of the country, not his own personal agenda. If he cannot do so, then stand down as an MP. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30932 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So there isn't a majority for what is going to happen, no matter what deal or no deal happens. Lovely democracy you have there.BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal?No because of 650 personal & party agendas. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
YEP! :-(So there isn't a majority for what is going to happen, no matter what deal or no deal happens. Lovely democracy you have there.BTW do you think it would have passed if there was a specific deal?No because of 650 personal & party agendas. Looking forward to 22:00 tonight when the European elections end to see if our "mobsters" got another good kicking. :-) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
And the winner is... The Green parties seems to be winners. Oh Ireland:) Together with Finland, Germany and the Netherlands. However nationalist parties also gain seats where as traditional parties lose seats... https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-48389690 |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Looking good here as well. The 2 biggest parties are getting a very big "kicking". A well deserved one IMHO. :-) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
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