Ah:) Government procurement.
What could possibly go wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement
However this is not an EU issue.
My guess is that the UK government has to accept the cheapest offer.
Just like in Sweden.

My guess is that the UK government has to accept the cheapest offer.
Just like in Sweden.

There's an old quote that's apt for that - buy cheap, buy twice.

My guess is that the UK government has to accept the cheapest offer.
Just like in Sweden.

It's not just "have to".

They actually believe that money is the only value to base decisions on.

As Alan Shepherd thought about while inside the capsule atop the Redstone rocket. "The fact that every part of this ship was built by the lowest bidder."

It's not just "have to".

LOL.
Still after all these years I keep forget the English grammar.
https://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/using-have-and-has/
And yes. I'm aware of it:)

Oh dear. The UK is preparing for the worst!

Royal Navy has been asked to help deliver medicines in event of no deal Brexit... but has warned it would take up to a year to refit ships to bear sufficient crew & cargo - ie no good for March 29.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2ab6d1f0-1d09-11e9-9fac-490c95b1919e
But that EU stops supplying Britain’s medical supplies? Really.
The top 4 largest pharmaceutical companies in the world are American and 80% their products are produced outside the EU.

Just the Ignorantia (© WR) up to their usual tricks.

Well I'm ignorant to British/American acronyms:)
Anyway AstraZeneca comes to mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstraZeneca
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-will-keep-uk-investment-freeze-if-no-brexit-clarity-idUKKCN1MP1Q9
Maybe the Royal Swedish Navy will help the United Kingdom with supplying medicins:)

Not an acronym. Pop into the CERN thread. :-)

Oh you mean Ignorantia.
Actually used in law, Ignorantia juris non excusat. It's "a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content".
Well Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, is perhaps not violating a law.
However for Stupiditas:)
And also a strange answer from the Royal Navy that once send a Task Force to the South Atlantic in less than a week when the nation called on it to do so.

If those referendums had been carried out in the UK, then half of the reasons some people used to vote BREXIT would have already been dealt with. Quite a lot of those that voted in 1972 have said they voted for a common market not the EU.

That's the problem right there, there wasn't a vote in 1972, the European Communities Act was forced through by a Tory Commons Majority, and joining the EEC was legislated to happen on 1st January 1973, no-one had a say.

By the Labour Party Conference in April 1975, the Labour Party voted against Membership of the EEC, this forced the Tory Government to rush through a Public Referendum within four months, yet the Electoral Commission has stated in 2018 that such a Referendum, like the one in 2016, would take 12 months to organise and take place.

The same Project Fear arguments were used in 1975 by the Tories as were used in 2016, the Prime Minister Lied in 1975 about the future loss of Sovereignty to both the EEC and later EU, he admitted this a number of years later, he knew what he'd signed us all up to in 1972. In 1975 I was 10 years old, ineligible to vote, yet no-one complained about old people ruining the futures of young people, that is a feature of the snowflake generation we have today since they lost in 2016. In 2016 the Prime Minister lied again along with every major institution, that staying in the EU was best for Britain, we even had the threat of World War 3 and the sky falling in, nobody believed them, we voted to Leave, by a small majority, but a majority of over 1.4 million people.

People started this nonsense about a 2nd vote, that we didn't know how good the EU really was, but they never say in what way, BUT neither side said what the Lisbon Treaty would do in 2020 and 2022, when clauses became Laws, we'd be forced to cede control of everything to the EU, our military, taxation, foreign policy, border control, trade, our veto on EU Commission (unelected) enacted Laws gone, direct EU Control, imposition of the Euro as our National Currency, our EU Parliamentary voting influence reduced from 8% to 3.5%, our Membership Contribution to the EU Budget significantly increased by the order of Billions a year, and if we tried to Leave the EU we'd have to have EU Permission by Majority voting of the other 27 Member States.

No, they all failed to tell us about that.

It's a no Brainer we Leave, retain control of everything, including our vast EEZ (the EU take more than 80% of our Fish, and our Fishing Fleets have been decimated, along with coastal communities since 1975), pay them nothing, and live by our own Laws, even our news is censored by UK Government D-Notices, we get nothing about the Yellow Vests Protests all across the EU on our Mainstream Media, the BBC and Channel 4 are both owned by the UK Government anyway. The only truths we see are on Social Media these days, as nothing but nothing can undermine the EU Project and trying to get us all to accept Staying in the EU.

Lets face it, if we leave we prosper, the EU wouldn't use our money to pay for UK based Manufacturing Companies to be relocated to Eastern or Southern Europe, yes that's right as a Net Contributor in the Billions, the EU uses that money to asset strip the UK, UK Tax Payers are paying to be put out of work, they have been doing this for more than 20 years. If we leave the EU would collapse, other member countries would see our booming economy and want to leave too, for example in the first year we'd be £137 Billion better of in GDP, we'd not pay the £39 Billion that the UK Government has no legal reason to pay the EU, and our independent economists (trashed by our own Government BTW) predict within the first five year period we'd be £640 Billion better off, and the EU would be £500 Billion worse off, so you just know that when a politicians lips are moving they are lying.

No Deal and leaving on WTO Rules is the best outcome for the UK, 60+% of our Trade is on WTO, only 7% of the UK companies trades with the EU, big global companies, with lots of influence in the UK Government, these are the vested interests ranged against democracy.

This is why it's such a big deal here, this is our Independence Day, 'No Taxation without Representation', remember we'll have no-one in the EU Parliament after March.

If we don't leave at 11pm on 29th March 2019, expect riots on British Streets, there will be wholesale civil unrest, and the Government D-Notices will not be able to hide it.

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And also a strange answer from the Royal Navy that once send a Task Force to the South Atlantic in less than a week when the nation called on it to do so.

There's a long established principle that the UK Government uses for offensive sea operations, we use STUFT, like we did in the Falklands Conflict, STUFT = Ships Taken Up From Trade.

Basically the UK Government Compulsory purchases existing shipping, they become part of HM Merchant Navy , fly the Red Ensign, and get fitted out quickly with weaponry, that's why we had a fleet of 75 ships for the South Atlantic in 1982.

Indeed, this bull about struggling with medicines is particularly asinine, if the Royal Navy can divert a small Aircraft Carrier to pick up British holiday makers and their vehicles from France one Summer, which were stranded due to a French Trade Dispute, all within five days notice, then we can knock the problem of a cargo of medicine on the head with a new QE Class Aircraft Carrier, the same carriers we'd have been forced to hand over to EU Military Control in 2022, having spent £6 Billion building them.

No the EU is your worse nightmare, best wake up.

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Superb post. I've been saying much the same thing on a series of 9 threads since 10th Dec 2011, however not as succinct as yours. Unfortunately, bureaucratic buffoons stated that Britain will leave when it suits them.

Anyone that disagreed with the views of those buffoons got labelled. Well, it seems the buffoons have turned into headless chickens.

I was also too young to vote in 72.

I saw a meme recently & tried finding again, but no luck...yet*. I can remember it.

65 year olds suffered rationing
75 year olds faced the Luftwaffe
90 year olds faced panzers
The old didn't ruin your future, they gave you one.

*found it.

People started this nonsense about a 2nd vote, that we didn't know how good the EU really was, but they never say in what way, BUT neither side said what the Lisbon Treaty would do in 2020 and 2022, when clauses became Laws, we'd be forced to cede control of everything to the EU, our military, taxation, foreign policy, border control, trade, our veto on EU Commission (unelected) enacted Laws gone, direct EU Control, imposition of the Euro as our National Currency, our EU Parliamentary voting influence reduced from 8% to 3.5%, our Membership Contribution to the EU Budget significantly increased by the order of Billions a year, and if we tried to Leave the EU we'd have to have EU Permission by Majority voting of the other 27 Member States.

I'd be very interested to see your source/sources, M5WJF. I had a look myself, but struggled a bit to find one that hadn't been debunked somehow or other... or even utterly :/

I could keep looking... ? Although it's not impossible Sirius might be able to provide one... ?

Even a reference to that bit of the Lisbon Treaty would be helpful (that bit that mentions 2020 and 2022 in particular) because I haven't been able to find that either :\ Something positive I did find though, if it helps at all, is the majority voting thing (as far as I've been able to ascertain), would apply to every proposed amendment and clause that might pass into EU law at some point in the future... if they're not unanimously accepted by all member states, they simply won't be adopted. I doubt knowing that would have made much difference to those who didn't when it came time to vote though. Not with all the appealing packaging it came in.

If we don't leave at 11pm on 29th March 2019, expect riots on British Streets, there will be wholesale civil unrest, and the Government D-Notices will not be able to hide it.

You'll want to protect those sources, I know ;) And as spokesperson for your people, it's perfectly understandable, M5. I do hope you don't mind me calling you that, it's just your full name is quite hard to pronounce...

;)

I was going to @Sirius here but I'll do that in another post instead

To be brutally honest, I did not like either side's attitude regarding the referendum. Too many falsehoods & feather nesting. The issue was & remains to this day, the politicians on all sides treating the electorate with contempt.

IMV, the situation current today began some time back when Brussels refused to take no for an answer & continued to press both the Dutch & Irish governments to say yes to the treaties.

I had no idea that when I started the series on Europe in Dec 2011, that within a few short months, my personal suspicions were confirmed. NOT by any British politician but by Angela Merkel herself when she stated: A Political, Economic & Fiscal Union is the end goal of the EU.

On 13th May 2012, Germany Warned France (link available on those series of threads, but unlike the past where one can enter a library & search through archives, with todays media, such research is difficult. Link no longer available - I wonder why?)

This is what Merkel said - see if you can spot the elephant in the room!

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters: "We in Germany, and me personally, are of the opinion that the fiscal pact is non-negotiable."

Maastricht Treaty

Lisbon Treaty

Offical EU site

Edited for spelling.

I'd be very interested to see your source/sources, M5WJF. I had a look myself, but struggled a bit to find one that hadn't been debunked somehow or other... or even utterly :/

I could keep looking... ? Although it's not impossible Sirius might be able to provide one... ?

You obviously haven't been looking hard enough, I'm not here to prove what I say to you, and neither is Sirius, do you expect other people to do your research and answer on your behalf?

Even a reference to that bit of the Lisbon Treaty would be helpful (that bit that mentions 2020 and 2022 in particular) because I haven't been able to find that either

I suggest you keep looking, and take off the rose tinted spectacles whilst you do it, whilst you're at it, look up the terms of that EU Partnership Agreement Zambia has with the EU, they will completely empty your EEZ of all marine life for the pittance they offer your Government, your Coastal Communities will catch nothing, you have yet to see the size of the factory ships they will send to do this. Ask people in other African Coastal States what has happened to them.

Something positive I did find though, if it helps at all, is the majority voting thing (as far as I've been able to ascertain), would apply to every proposed amendment and clause that might pass into EU law at some point in the future... if they're not unanimously accepted by all member states, they simply won't be adopted.

I think you'll find that no country can have the veto you mention after Qualified Majority Voting is in place, all existing vetoes will be repealed.

I doubt knowing that would have made much difference to those who didn't when it came time to vote though. Not with all the appealing packaging it came in.

What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

You'll want to protect those sources, I know ;) And as spokesperson for your people, it's perfectly understandable, M5. I do hope you don't mind me calling you that, it's just your full name is quite hard to pronounce...

I don't need to protect anyone, its all over Social Media, and even the heavily D-Notice Censored Mainstream Media here now, indeed I'm merely going to celebrate our Independence Day at 11pm on 29th March.

Spokesperson? What are you on about? Just my opinion, and I'm reasonably certain you're aware of that, and I am fairly sure I wouldn't be able to pronounce your name either.

Have a happy one.

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One thing has to be made clear.
Many of those that voted to leave ARE NOT anti-Europe but Anti-EU.

What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did your country do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."

What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did country 650 benefit scroungers do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."

They thought the electorate were too gullible. Thr turn about came in 2016 & they are still contemptuous of the electorate.

I keep seeing news about Northern Ireland and it's border to Ireland.
Problems that are connected to Brexit.
Are we now seeing the "The Troubles" (Na Trioblóidí) yet again?
Hopefully not.