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Message 1953569 - Posted: 3 Sep 2018, 14:27:30 UTC

Interesting reporting site for UFO sightings:

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports.html
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Message 1953624 - Posted: 3 Sep 2018, 18:13:54 UTC

Re-reading both "signal" threads which contained some interesting posts. A thought struck me. Some time in the future a lengthy signal is received & over time constantly repeated.

Part of signal is instantly decoded as it's in plain English. Some bright spark then suggests try other languages. Within a short time signal completely decoded. The message is short & clear: You have strayed from the one true path. I am on my way.

Pretty sure that would be attempted to be suppressed by all governments. :-)
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Message 1953690 - Posted: 4 Sep 2018, 1:12:31 UTC
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Chris, you could pretend it to be science, by also making it so, except that we could still make a difference between the intelligent signal never showing up,
for that of a belief in alien technology which could be commonly around.

Perhaps I am dealing with a couple of facts, for next also subjects, based on the thought perhaps still around, if not any assumption either,
that science should be a proven subject, in order to next also be believed.

And here talking about your subject this time, and not any mine.

Now I am perhaps not that nice, but if such a thing as only put forward, in order to make at least explainable (which it is), but more rather the latter,
namely that of Proof, is a Fact next also a Scheme, or perhaps also a Template, in order to explain a couple of things, when next no direct Proof either?

We all know that Fidel Castro was a Communist dictator in the old days, but from which point of view did he make something wrong,
by means of having a possible attitude, versus any action being made, or carried out?

Perhaps not a Political issue this time either, but if perhaps not any lawlessness all the time either, did he next come up with the wrong Laws,
for only that of anarchy and chaos as a result, or could it still be the way it could be viewed from a single handed perspective?

Again perhaps my own reflection here, for also such a word as well, but hopefully you understand the point I am trying to make.

If aliens visited the Earth in the past, it perhaps became Ancient Aliens, but if they also blend or mix in with Society as well,
also they next could become part of it as well.

That of throwing away, for also rejecting an issue, if perhaps not even more, should also be a possibility, except for sometimes not debunking it either.

The story about science could either be the one next only told, for perhaps also being true, or it could be still only falsification of Facts,
for still only such a story, when perhaps still only debunked, for also a Myth.

Could you make it the Scientific Method a guiding principle, for next also clue, in order to tell a possible difference, or should we still make possible Facts also true?

We already know that a given Truth could also be making for a Proof, by means of just only a Principle for such a thing, and next that some ideas here,
were perhaps not that bad either.

But next rather the fact that you could still be telling your part of the story, like perhaps also myself, only for the possibility that it also could be believed.
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Message 1953699 - Posted: 4 Sep 2018, 2:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1953690.  

Um, I'll give you an oh.
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Message 1953725 - Posted: 4 Sep 2018, 10:07:31 UTC

Interesting. It took 5 or so drafts before I got my post worded to what I felt was just right. I re-read the final version before actually posting it. I believe I got it right as can be. Just confirms an earlier thought of mine which is that most "project" their own beliefs & philosophies onto E.T.

E.T "could" be humanoid but he/she will not be human.

The question posed I feel was fairly open ended.

It "could" be seen by those of a religious bent.
It "could" be seen by those of a political bent.
It "could" be seen by those of a scientific bent.

All "could" be seen by all parties as threatening to their way of life, hence the attempt at suppression.

Isn't anyone prepared to think outside the box? Are we that indoctrinated & arrogant to believe that we are the only intelligent life throughout the universe?
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Message 1953731 - Posted: 4 Sep 2018, 11:33:54 UTC
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Of course there could be someone always trampling on you, and if perhaps not such a thing either, it could be the ant being swallowed by a moose.

But also that believing in a God, could be coming from the part of you, which could be dealing with such a thing as Conscience,
except for only living up to expectations, by means of only taking part, just for science.

There you perhaps got it, when it became the second attempt for this, here as well.

If we next could think that we are also biological entities, by only such a thing as being humans, the part of it still making for that of Intelligence, should be the brain,
which is responsible for thinking, where both that of Logical, and Arithmetical such, still are the main parts.

But also the sometimes arbitrary, for also random, or even chaotic nature, for next that of Chaos, are important facts as well, because only that of Symmetry,
could be an end point of such, for that of structure, except for not telling about any divinity at all, for that of possible deities.
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Message 1953759 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 2:57:24 UTC

We all hear about UFO's, and I'd love to see one, but have yet to be so lucky. The thing that gets me, is if even a small fraction of UFO sightings are legitimate ET's, why haven't they made verifiable contact, yet? I don't think they would appear in the sky accidentally. Likewise, if there's so many of them, do they all know each other? Do you think they're all from the same place?
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Message 1953807 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 8:00:04 UTC
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Perhaps not necessarily any trampling either, but in fact I do not find anything else to say either.

My better one went down the drain, because of the Sunday for at least a holiday, but if perhaps still only science for such an attitude,
perhaps still the open mind for a couple of things, for next not being carried away either.

It became clear to me that numbers could be for one given concept only, like also the attitude versus science for next the other, in that both the alien subject,
as well as also any thoughts for that of any divine entities, are at least their respective subjects, except for not necessarily given approach, or attitude either.

If perhaps still a willingness to know, for next also prove, perhaps not any reluctance either, but it could be still the Scientific Method here.

Next, I perhaps do not need to be any skeptic either, for also a debunker, but rather make it science what it perhaps is, except for not any belief either.

If a given thought is that everything came out of nothing, for also that of randomness and Chaos, perhaps we could even prove such a thing,
except for perhaps not any gods for any science either, when it could be only the more regular way of approach, which I think I also skipped in the previous.

Next perhaps that of subject only, in that perhaps even Erich von Däniken could be having its supporters, or followers.

But next that sitting on a bench, for also below a couple of trees (and not Newton here), could always be having its sense of Mystery,
as well as being the more Religious issue, if perhaps a wrong way of thinking, for next also possible Mentality.

But always from that of an adaptation, if not any approach either, when it could be still about attitude, for also given Mentality,
but if reality could always be for that of one concept, at least it could be proved, for such a thing.

If perhaps not a Mathematician yourself, you next do not need to make it any Comprehension for that of infinity, but rather an understanding only.

If that of making it an Aspect, is more that of Comprehension, it could also be right, for a better way of expressing it.

So, while perhaps still only that of a realm, for such a thing, also that of Philosophical Anthropology as well, except for perhaps different ways of
interpreting it, only for that of the Scientific Method.

If still only a skeptic, for also a debunker, perhaps not any good for that of science, when only a believer for such a thing, except for still only the
Method for such a thing, for at least that of telling.

If still only a knowledge of the Universe for that of its size, I still could be looking up, for rather down, in order to make it such a thing,
but next still that of Comprehension, for only making it larger in size.

Everything could still be relative, of course, for next perhaps size does not matter either, except for still only that of Comprehension,
for next also an Aspect as well, which could be telling the possible difference.

But next that It also could be still only provability for that of a tool, except for not any specific goal either, when we could be seeking to obtain results,
for next also achievements.

Perhaps therefore we also could still prove any angels, for next also gods as well, when perhaps not any Falling angels either, for still only that of Däniken.

It still could be only that of a reality issue for a couple of things, except for not making it any sweet dreams either, for next science.

But rather that the devil could still be only that of wording, except for not any twisted for such either, when it could be brought more into order.

One desk, for next also a table, and you still need a couple of drawers, for only that of putting the knifes, for also fork, and spoon as well.

But also that of the sometimes gentle touch, for also hard landing, if not any hammer and feather either, when we sometimes could make it
such a thing for also that of experiences being learnt, except for not any deities which could be giving you a lesson.

We know that from here, to the closest star, except for the sun, the distance is some 40 billion km, and therefore a bit far, or distant, for just walking.

Making it rather a time traveling machine, for next also a UFO as well, you either could get lost, except for still thinking it could be science.

So, if still skeptical, for next not any debunker either, it could also end up with a statement linking that of a Proof, with a Method, but apparently lost in the crowd.

But if rather that of knowledge, for also that of sometimes Truth as well, we could make it also that of Certainty as well, for next only that of a Fact,
except perhaps that of certitude, could possibly be telling it even better.

If next perhaps not only hidden in the cards, for that of a couple of things, it could also be meant to be for such as well, except for not always any proven Fact.

Any Pseudoscience should not be the same as any Comprehension either, when next for only that of science, when perhaps only left in the dark,
for next also that of believe, when also that of sometimes hard facts, could end up becoming knowledge as well, and next for at least that of Truth.

So, perhaps not any fear for the unknown either, when possibly that of Certainty, for also a Method which we could use, except for still not any Proof either.

Perhaps it became only "Open the hatch, HAL", except for not any hitch either, when we could be left out in the dark, for that of answering a couple of things.

In order to prove the unprovable, for also the unthinkable, next make it at least the world we could know, for also the Universe, for that of contents,
except for only ascertain, for also lead, or maybe incur, as well.

Just thinking whether any of these words are the correct one, it becomes that of Methodology here as well, for a more unifying, or cohesive such.

We know that having an easy opinion, could also be that of an easy Mentality, if perhaps not any superficial either,
but if rather a more casual approach, for a couple of things, is perhaps not any hard work either, perhaps not any definitive answer either,
for only that of a possible outcome.

Here perhaps rather that of result instead, except for still only hard science also needing a similar Facts, for only that of its provability.

The provable Method could still be better than only the speculative approach, but if perhaps not any acid in water either, for just looking into the sky,
at least we could be making it better as well, for only that of only gaining knowledge.
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Message 1953810 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 8:26:28 UTC

As always MP kills a thread..
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Message 1953829 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 12:41:55 UTC

I think that Amerigo Vespucci was simply a mapmaker--anybody know.

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Message 1953830 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 12:47:12 UTC - in response to Message 1953829.  
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We are still off topic--what did we conclude about suppression ??

I have seen that Vespucci was actually an explorer but his account of the Columbus' voyages caused others to name the new found continent "America" after the feminine, latin version of his name "Americus"

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Message 1953876 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 17:59:32 UTC - in response to Message 1953873.  

3. Possibly maybe

Chris that means the same thing as possibly maybe not. In other words it means nothing.
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Message 1953884 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 19:43:11 UTC

Initally any signal received would be suppressed because the signal received would have to be a mobile one (See my Mobile Phone post on the other thread) until the signal was decoded & the contents analysed. How long for would depend on time.

IMHO based on our own current technology, a static signal will require too much power & for the power required, a fairly large open unpopulated space.
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Message 1953889 - Posted: 5 Sep 2018, 20:07:53 UTC - in response to Message 1953886.  

No, any good?
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Message 1953929 - Posted: 6 Sep 2018, 0:04:27 UTC - in response to Message 1953886.  

anyone watched the new UFO 2018 movie yet ?

It's available for me to rent - I'm going to do that, this weekend.
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Message 1953931 - Posted: 6 Sep 2018, 0:19:00 UTC - in response to Message 1953801.  

Assuming that a proportion of UFO's are indeed not man made, one theory proposed here is that they think we are not ready for contact yet. I for one think that is the most likely reason.

I just can't see a UFO coming all this way to visit and not make a definitive hello. Maybe the drone idea is a worthy one. ~That would help me with an explanation as to why they haven't made direct contact, yet.

Are they all from the same place is an interesting question. I think we have naturally assumed yes as the answer. Well I certainly have anyway. I think that is so upon the basis that the nearest star is 4.5 LY away and would need a mother ship to launch manned or unmanned craft.

Alpha Centauri must be a pretty happenin' place. ;~)
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Message 1953947 - Posted: 6 Sep 2018, 1:15:48 UTC - in response to Message 1953845.  

Hi Clyde. But as I said some posts ago, 1/2 a dozen people having a certain view on a Seti thread, is not representative of world opinion. At present the various countries cannot seem to agree whether to send a "Hi we are here" message. It was NASA and the USA that decided to send the Pioneer plaques.

At least the pioneer plaques aren't actively searching for E.T. Only if E.T. tried to chase one down and inspect it would they find the information. Don't the Voyagers have similar messages?
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Message 1953949 - Posted: 6 Sep 2018, 1:20:42 UTC - in response to Message 1953947.  

Don't the Voyagers have similar messages?


The Golden records aboard the Voyagers
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Message 1954420 - Posted: 8 Sep 2018, 20:58:03 UTC - in response to Message 1953893.  

No, any good?

i found it good ! not cause about of UFO pictures, but cause all the links to our works here.


I just watched it, and thought it was ok. They threw a lot of math around, lol, and brought up something I wasn't familiar with, called the Fine Structure Constant.
The movie posits that indeed government officials are trying to cover things up at least until they can figure out how to communicate with the ET's.
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Message 1954508 - Posted: 9 Sep 2018, 12:44:39 UTC - in response to Message 1954430.  

The Fine Structure Constant is a dimensionless number: e square divided by (h/2Pi) *c. e is the electron charge, h the Planck constant, c the speed of light. There is a photo of Fermi having written it wrong on a blackboard, but it was likely a joke.
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