Almost all comments of that film say that the computer HAL9000 had gone mad. I have a different interpretation. In its artificial intelligence it had arrived at the concept of "sacred" and thought that the mission was a sacrilege and deliberately sabotaged .it.
Tullio

Love the computer named HAL.
HAL is a one-letter shift from the name IBM:)

I don't think HAL was a neural network. But people using neural networks say that although seeing valid results of their computations they don;t understand how the neural network reached them. There is something in them that escapes our logic.
Tullio

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Nothing went wrong with HAL , you want to watch 2010 The year we made contact that film explains what happened to HAL in 2001

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

In my work 50 years ago I showed that so called "Neural Networks" and threshold logic decomposed entirely into boolean logic. That means that an ordinary digital computer using AND, OR, NAND etc logic gates could do any computation that a "Neural Network" can do.
While in the Army back then I was privileged to work in the group in the Electronics Command that earlier developed the ENIAC and the Illiac -4.

The hope back then was that fewer logic gates or faster computing would be the result. Another concept was to design a machine that could "learn" from it's mistakes and successes. Most programmers could easily write a program to run on a standard computer that exhibits the same learning behavior.

The brain processes information in a much different way than digital or threshold logic. It communicates via a sampled data, Frequency-Modulated pulse stream. We have yet to define how memory is defined in the brain or where we play the stream of consciousness or display our vision.

Memory is defined by some as reinforcing pathways in the mass of Neurons--to my knowledge this has not been figured out anatomically as to how this is accomplished. Perhaps systems such as the "Perceptron" and it's successors can model this via digital logic gates or ,once again, by a computer program.

Self-organizing systems can be built in Hardware and in software as well.

And perhaps not any Logical Fallacies either, when only making it HAL 9000 here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000

Guessing on the correct name here, before actually checking, but that of Neural network is not any bad idea, or suggestion either, except for any fairness either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy

Checking for that of caps, or capital letters, and liking Formal Fallacy better here, for that of Formalism being a slightly different thing.

But next perhaps not any Rational versus Irrational thinking, or behavior either, for only that of Quantum computing, because if rather any different here, for also the opposite,
here we could be still on our way.

Sorry about a bit of poor wording here, but the living brain, for only the neural network here, makes me at least thinking a little.

I am speaking of a Space treaty and it belongs here.
Tullio

Since the documents that found the governments that sign the treaties are being described as only fit to clean a butt over in the politics forums, is it any wonder why a treaty signed many years after these founding documents is ignored?

I'm with you that it should be enforced. The issue is who is going to enforce it and how?

All three major space faring nations have already militarized space, each having demonstrated killers. that leaves very little in the way.

That is virtually what I said :-)

*suspend one eyebrow above head* Not the way you said it, it isn't, but no matter ;) And as to your second paragraph in that post, where were the closing speech marks meant to be? At the end of your recommendation to a missionary long gone? I just can't see how or why a conversation would have gone like that - let alone why it should have done. But again, no matter :)

The Bushman...

a term bestowed by white settlers because of where, and the manner in which these people lived off the land... y-e-e-e-s... so a bit like the term "soutpiel" was used - in reference to the English way of doing things. It is google-able - you might prefer not to though...

...tried to answer his own question by inventing a god that must have created him. He exists, so logically his God must exist as well. A sort of an adult comfort blanket.

Comfort blanket? Is this still the same virtually you mentioned up there? Meaning that he had parents and grandparents and great grandparents, and all the other etc's before that, who would have passed down tales of the significance of the moon and every other etc that was part of their culture?

Read about the Mau Mau uprising which Kenyatta was involved with. But that is a political discussion best had elsewhere.

I really don't think I need to :) mainly because I suspect I already know more than you'll ever be prepared to know on that, but the thought was a good one. Thanks :)

Now, as there appears to have been a shift to including religious beliefs into the topic, I've concluded that this (from 2008) fits in the thread really quite well... Christian Theologians Prepare for Extraterrestrial Life and knowing what I know about missionaries in the modern era - difficult to not know given I have a twin sister and her husband, who are and having met many of their friends who are also all very devout Christians - I have to agree with most everything the article says.

I just don't think an ETI visit would cause any more harm than we've already been doing to ourselves, and I definitely don't think it's suppressable.

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I just don't think an ETI visit would cause any more harm than we've already been doing to ourselves, and I definitely don't think it's suppressable.

+1

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Wow, two weeks and this is the only subject that anyone wants to discuss.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

If we accept the hypothesis of the Ancient Aliens, like it seems Chris has done, builders of huge monuments, I have only one questions. Why they did not they leave any written document? Have they not discovered any alphabet?Or maybe they left one and we are unable to understand it, like the Linear A of Crete, which is still not deciphered.
Tullio

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Yep, the forerunner of Skynet. :-)

Yes we_can, then and now. No aliens required.

If the Aliens didn't leave behind technology to do that, how were they built given that we can't to it today in the 21C?

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Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020

I think that a likely candidate of Atlantis is the isle of Santorini (Thera in Greek) in the Cyclades archipelago, which was destroyed by a volcano eruption in the XVII century B.C. The following tsunami destroyed the Minoan Crete fleet and let it unharmed (it had no fortresses) to the Greek invasion, which destroyed the Minoan culture. In what is left at Santorini a buried city was found, Akrotiri , with beautiful Minoan paintings under meters of ash.
Tullio

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Moses wrote the first 5 books of the old testament. To my knowledge, it's never been claimed he was a scientist but he may have been erm... getting on in years ;) Also, I've been assured there are not two accounts of the creation, just the one, written first as an outline and then with different focus specifically relating to us lot and our needs. At least I think that was the explanation I was given. As to the plant issue - the crucial difference apparently is that in chapter two, the words "of the field" are used - so not simply general vegetation, but those that would feed and be cultivated by/for humans.

But is any of this pertinent here? Probably not, so I'm going to shut up now :)

You are forgetting the Hindu Veda texts. I found in my street two books published by the Orange people in Sanskrit with a correct Italian translation and they are amazing. A completely different cosmology. I quote only a prayer I found in one of them. I am translating from the Italian translation.

O almighty Lord, I don't want wealth, I don't want beautiful women and I don't want disciples. I want only to engage in your unconditioned love service, life after life.

Tullio

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Writer, mountain climber, photographer Fosco Maraini who spent part of his life in Japan, also in Japanese jails because he did not adhere to the Fascist Government after September 1943, divides the world in two "broths". One is the Mediterranean broth made up from Egyptian, Jewish, Greek and Latin ingredients, the other the Eastern broth made up from Indian, Chinese, Japanese and Korean ingredients. Of this last broth we Mediterranean know very little but it existed always and is becoming very important.
Tullio

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The Dead Sea scrolls were carbon dated to 300 BC.

Yes and they told of the many miracles that the "Law-Giver" performed. The New Testament scribes dating to as late as 300 A.D. told the same tales and had Jesus as their protagonist.

Pretty sure that if E.T exists, their initial contact won't involve politics or religion.

Pretty sure that if E.T exists, their initial contact won't involve politics or religion.

I think you're right. I feel like we're putting too much emphasis on philosophies that are important to us, but we have no idea how an ETI would relate to those things. It probably wouldn't even compute to them, and vice-versa. I think we'd both be spending a lot of time trying to communicate and explain our modes of being to each other. I don't think we should assume that an ETI would care about our petty little politics and religions.

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