Or still perhaps proving such a thing, for only that of making it sometimes Artificial Intelligence here on Earth,
when also sometimes that of a natural phenomenon only, for that of the unexplained.

I was able to watch a couple of UFO's here, making a sharp turn, for also that of a police car ending up in a ditch (the old classic movie here),
but also a couple of visible markings visible on the craft themselves, for only a bit of science fiction.

You know, I could be confusing the little boy with the small girl, if not any vice versa, but still not any tall man either, when next only climbing a mountain,
for that of yet another movie.

Sadly to say, perhaps not any Arthur C. Clarke either, for that of any novel, except for only a color photograph, which could also be that of Liturgy of sorts,
for at least a picture, but next the man with the fragile voice, also giving a thought about a possible future, except for not any prediction for such either.

Could we next make it the world, for also that of quantize, except for not speaking about any possibilities, for that of future, except for not making it only that of a demise?

Does it next also tell, for also foresee, except for no such thing as a Soothsayer either, for also that of a foreteller, or diviner, except for not any bad luck either?

Only the fact that pulling the longest straw, could also be making you the winner, also that of Probability as well, except for not any given chance of success either,
in order to find the intelligent signal among the raw data which could be available.

Like still both evolution, for also that of the weather, at least an argument for such, except for not any Equation either,
but next perhaps not any such Equation for that of science either, which could be telling whether or not we still could be alone.

OH they arrived !!! they arrived !!!!
look at this https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6rn0zs

they are using a super camouflage ! it totally keep its integrality.

Interesting! Round clouds aren't especially unusual. They're called lenticular clouds, and are created by laminar air flow.

The puzzle here is that this cloud doesn't have the smooth, windswept look of such a cloud. It has a slightly rough, puffy-looking surface. What's more, it appears to be slowly spinning, in an anti-clockwise direction. Its circular shape may have been created by this spinning.

I don't recall any references to spinning clouds of any sort, except those obviously connected with cyclones and whirlwind; this is plainly not that. The slowness of the spinning motion makes this fairly obvious.

Once a missionary priest in Africa who was living with the Bushman people,that are considered as monkeys by other African people, eating their food which he offered to his African Bishop who almost excommunicated him, asked a Bushman chief who had become his friend and whom he was not trying to convert. Do you believe that God exists? And the Bushman replied "God exists because I exist"'.
Tullio

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Das right !

Right

Aha:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuN7kOW7iwo

Wm, who were you responding to, the link shows the page does not exist?

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This is not the place to start a discussion about the existence of God. But since you mentioned evolution, I would suggest you to read the book "The human phenomenon" by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin,SJ. He was a scientist and discovered the remains of the "Peking man" which were unfortunately lost in the war. Another book of his I have is "The appearance of man", Colllins,1963. He died in 1954 and is buried in New York.
Tullio

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Erm... firstly, may I point out that they're the San people.

Do you believe that God exists? And the Bushman replied "God exists because I exist"'.

Because the Bushman believed that there is a god, and that this god created him, then the very fact that he exists means that his god exists. That is a very basic logic on the minimal level, and only to be expected as a sort of self justification for being.

What the missionary should have said was "OK, but what makes you believe that there is a god in the first place that created you? Could you be here for some other reason? Then bring in evolution.

And secondly, may I point out that another "interpretation" of what was said, might be that gods are artificial constructs of man, but I'd recommend reading the book Things Fall Apart, by Chinua Achebe before putting words in other people's mouths ;)

However - my understanding is that many of the traditional African belief systems that missionaries set out to destroy were ancestor based, not other worldly, and very much grounded in the land and environment in which they lived.

Or, in the words of Jomo Kenyatta:
When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible.
They taught us to pray with our eyes closed.
When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.

And thirdly - my sincere apologies for being way, way way off-topic and on completely the wrong forum board too :/

In that case i will follow my usual custom and not read them, thanx.

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I shall add only a small note on Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. In the Fifties of last century he conceived the idea of a"noosphere" or sphere of knowledge, encompassing both the geosphere and the biosphere. See the article "A globe, clothing itself with a brain" by Jennifer Cobb Kreisberg in "Wired", Issue 3.06, June 1995. His "noosphere" is our World Wide Web.
Tulllio

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It's Sunday:)
Many say that people of religous belief would be shattered if aliens contacted us.
Why?
I think almost every religion on earth think that their beliefs originate from outer space.
So if aliens appear here then it makes some more "intelligent beings" who wonder why we exist...

I've found us a link to that :) https://www.wired.com/1995/06/teilhard/

I haven't read all of it yet, because it's quite long, but I will return to doing so after this post - because it is very interesting. Thanks Tullio :)

If I may add this to my previous post (which is here)? I needed to check something before saying it, and unfortunately ran out of edit window due to an interruption.

It's worth remembering that in pre-colonial Africa, to describe another person or group in terms of a species of animal, was neither derogatory nor insulting. Animals were (and still are) considered to have wisdom and powers that humans were not imbued with but could perhaps aspire to, or acquire. Unfortunately, my own knowledge in that area is really sketchy, but what I do remember is that monkeys were considered resourceful, agile and very clever hunters, so I very much think (whatever our euro-centric ideas on what may or may not have been meant by such a comment), it's going to be, and already has been, heavily open to misinterpretation.

I would think any alien intelligence if benign in its intent, and genuinely intelligent - would not rush in with the alacrity we have done in our own exploration of our home planet. But if they're anything like us - oh my........ :(

Whatever governments might or might not do were seti to discover a genuine signal - I'd be more concerned by shortcomings in interpreting it to be honest...

*slow blink round thread* did you see how I somehow managed to make myself on topic there...? Yeeees... ;)

Or just pigeons here, anniet, for not too bad for what you are writing, except for perhaps also the thread title here, for both of us at times.

If such a thing for that of Truth itself, for next not being believed either, we could end being stuck in the mud, if any of the signals we could be having,
next could be of no value, for only that of lack of Proof, except no such thing as any significance either.

But is it not the strange thing next, that at least you could be listening in to a tone, except for not being any blind, for also watching the celestial sky,
for that of any deafness either?

Should the intelligent signal we perhaps could detect, be based on only an interpretation of such a thing, only because of our intelligence,
for also perhaps knowing, or is it rather that making it the letters of the alphabet, could at least make us able to read?

Such a thing is an Analogy, of course, and next perhaps also a stupid thing as well, but if rather looking at both detection methods, for also signal gathering and analysis,
at least we could be knowing it, when next also finding it, for eventually coming across a signal candidate possibly worth an interest, or perhaps a closer look.

But if so, perhaps we should at least know the way it perhaps could be done, except for not any similar debate for that of God either, when perhaps only science.

Making it perhaps such a thing as Extraterrestrial Intelligence, could also be telling about possible intelligence for that of nature, except for only that of ourselves.

Because of that, also the living thing as well, in that making it such a thing, could also be making it both Intelligence and Conscience, except for not any living dead either.

Is the Universe next intelligent, because it could be telling a couple of facts, except for not any inherent meaning, for next not any face either?

Or should it only be the face of God here, for only making it such a difference, when perhaps left with a choice between science for that of living, and next also Religion?

Only the gods perhaps know the correct answer here, when next asking such a thing.

By the way, making it Creationism here earlier on, and my poor eyes were not able to make it to that of Chris S here, for the same thing also being said, because here too late.

Dags att sova.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXOymECAcE

It reminded me of "2001 A Space Odyssey" and its black monolith.
Tullio

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2001 is one of my all-time favorite movies. It's right up there with Casablanca.

Almost all comments of that film say that the computer HAL9000 had gone mad. I have a different interpretation. In its artificial intelligence it had arrived at the concept of "sacred" and thought that the mission was a sacrilege and deliberately sabotaged .it.
Tullio

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Seems like you have seen many Ancient Aliens TV shows like I have:)
Or perhaps read Erich von Däniken and his followers books.
Whatever.
The rise of human ingenuity rised dramatically from about the time when some humans settled downed beeing farmers about 10,000 years ago.
Then came civilizations perhaps 4,000 years later.
And some 3,000 years later huge constructions was made by humans.
By saying human ingenuity must come from outer space is somewhat...
Many technologies get lost over time.
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-lost-technologies.php
And if aliens helped us. Where are the left over debris?

It has long been suggested that there is an as yet undiscovered underground chamber beneath the Sphinx, And that from there is a tunnel to beneath the Great Cheops pyramid. Scientists have wanted to use modern ground penetrating radar to confirm this, but the Egyptian authorities have clamped down on any more exploration. Why?

Partly true. But the Egyptian authorities allow ground penetrating radar from outside the pyramid.
But not in the inside that would probably mean that you have to destruct parts of the pyramid.

Tullio. There are several more likely motivations for the mental breakdown of the HAL 9000 on board Discovery.

He was obsessed with the fact that he was required to lie about or conceal the true mission of Discovery 1 from Poole and Bowen.
He was upset because he was not infallible--as per the false antenna controller diagnosis.
He also feared disconnection which to HAL would have meant the possible failure of the mission.