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Message 1952451 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 0:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 1952449.  
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There are 3 different intel 2011 sockets.

2011-0, or R, is what you have. It’s for the X79/C600 series chipsets for Sandy Bridge E/EP and Ivy Bridge E/EP chips, including your V1 E5 Xeons. Also supports v2 Xeons on certain boards.

2011-1, or R2, is for the E7 Xeons, needs a proprietary motherboard.

2011-3, or 2011-v3, or R3, is for X99/C612 for Haswell E/EP chips including v3 Xeons.


Ok, I have run across the V1, V2, and V3 distinctions, which I think is what you are describing here.

I also ran across the assertion that v1/v2 chips will run on the same Lga 2011 socket but that V3 chips would not.

What I think I hear you saying is that V2 chips may or maynot run on V1 motherboards?

Thank you for additional education.
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in the consumer space (x79), most boards will support both v1 and v2 E5 Xeons. but i've come across some server boards that will only support V1. not a physical incompatibility, just no BIOS/firmware support.

one example I came across was the Supermicro X9DRi-LN4F+ boards. the supermicro website claims it supports v1 and v2 chips with the minimum BIOS revision of 3.0. i bought one, it had BIOS 3.2. but wouldnt post with any v2 chips.

some research and talking with Supermicro later, it is revealed that the X9DRi-LN4F+ only supports v2 chips on rev. 1.20 of the motherboard, and i had 1.10. for whatever reason they couldnt update just the bios of the v1.1 board. the Supermicro website doesnt make the distinction between the different revisions.

i'm sure there are other examples in the server space of certain boards not being provisioned to handle the v2 E5 Xeons.

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v1/v2/v3 is only Xeon naming scheme
-0/-1/-3 or R/R2/R3 is the 2011 socket naming scheme (v3 maybe got adopted because the v3 Xeons fit it, or just informally, it's all used pretty interchangibly.
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Message 1952454 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 0:18:01 UTC - in response to Message 1952451.  

Thank you. You know it could be hazardous out here believing what you read on the manufacturer's website or in the manuals ;)

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Message 1952468 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 1:24:22 UTC - in response to Message 1952451.  

i'm sure there are other examples in the server space of certain boards not being provisioned to handle the v2 E5 Xeons.

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v1/v2/v3 is only Xeon naming scheme
-0/-1/-3 or R/R2/R3 is the 2011 socket naming scheme (v3 maybe got adopted because the v3 Xeons fit it, or just informally, it's all used pretty interchangeably.


I just ran across this opinon on Tom's Hardware (no relation)
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3561028/xeon-4890.html

The MB he is pointing at is on eBay in the $200 range. If it really will run the e7-4890 v2.

Hmm-mm....

I do understand that another gtx 1060 3GB would completely swamp the out put of the above cpu :(

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Message 1952477 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 3:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 1952468.  

I do understand that another gtx 1060 3GB would completely swamp the out put of the above cpu :(
Not it you bought a 1060 from the same person that sold you that CPU :))
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Message 1952479 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 3:37:42 UTC - in response to Message 1952477.  

I do understand that another gtx 1060 3GB would completely swamp the out put of the above cpu :(
Not it you bought a 1060 from the same person that sold you that CPU :))


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Message 1952574 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 15:17:34 UTC

I'm willing to bet they are keyed differently, look at the notches around the proc vs. around the outside of the socket. Mfgs usually try to do something to help people differentiate between similar parts, at least that has been my experience. Just pay close attn and I'd believe you will know looking at them.

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Message 1952584 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 15:31:17 UTC

they are physically different. if the E7 even fits in the E5 socket, you wont be able to latch it down. and yes they are keyed differently

its clear as day when you see pics:


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Message 1952588 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 15:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 1952584.  

they are physically different. if the E7 even fits in the E5 socket, you wont be able to latch it down. and yes they are keyed differently

its clear as day when you see pics:


It sure is.

Thank you for keeping me from having to wrestle one of my MB apart this week to find out the results you just pictured.

Sigh. Where is that e5-2697 v2 chip? Oh, its expensive enough to almost install a gtx 1080Ti (used). Guess I will skip it :)

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Message 1952612 - Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 23:53:48 UTC

yup, they are still pricey. they are the top of the line chip for Socket R/2011-0 though so it still carries a premium.

if you want bang for your buck, look into either a 2680v2 10-core (runs at 3.1GHz all cores loaded)

--or--

check out the E5-2667v2. Virtually identical to the E5-2687Wv2, thanks to the turbo binning it will run at identical speeds in every situation except thermal throttling. 8-core, but will run at 3.6GHz all-core load.

if you want to spend a little bit more, and only running a single core system, the E5-1680v2 8-core is where it's at. again 8-core, but unlocked multiplier and with overclocking boards and good cooling can easily go over 4GHz. however since it's a 1600 series chip, you wont be able to use it in a dual socket board with another CPU.

1600 - single socket support
2600 - dual socket support
4600 - quad socket support
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Message 1952798 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 1:13:42 UTC

did they give us a new version of seti code for the mac??

6932622551 3115260906 6467380 30 Aug 2018, 0:00:00 UTC 10 Oct 2018, 5:45:14 UTC In progress --- --- --- SETI@home v8 v8.04
x86_64-apple-darwin
6932482031 3115195300 6467380 29 Aug 2018, 22:31:44 UTC 22 Oct 2018, 3:31:26 UTC In progress --- --- --- SETI@home v8 v8.04
i686-apple-darwin
6932245501 3115083438 6467380 29 Aug 2018, 19:56:02 UTC 22 Oct 2018, 0:55:44 UTC In progress --- --- --- SETI@home v8 v8.03 (osx_12)
x86_64-apple-darwin

Here is the list of my latest 3 work units... in the application column it has 3 different things. I think it was running v8 v8.03 (but I don't remember the osx bit being there) and now the last two work units say i686 and x86_64

hmmmm.
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Message 1952803 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 1:26:15 UTC - in response to Message 1952798.  

did they give us a new version of seti code for the mac??

6932622551 3115260906 6467380 30 Aug 2018, 0:00:00 UTC 10 Oct 2018, 5:45:14 UTC In progress --- --- --- SETI@home v8 v8.04
x86_64-apple-darwin
6932482031 3115195300 6467380 29 Aug 2018, 22:31:44 UTC 22 Oct 2018, 3:31:26 UTC In progress --- --- --- SETI@home v8 v8.04
i686-apple-darwin
6932245501 3115083438 6467380 29 Aug 2018, 19:56:02 UTC 22 Oct 2018, 0:55:44 UTC In progress --- --- --- SETI@home v8 v8.03 (osx_12)
x86_64-apple-darwin

Here is the list of my latest 3 work units... in the application column it has 3 different things. I think it was running v8 v8.03 (but I don't remember the osx bit being there) and now the last two work units say i686 and x86_64

hmmmm.

Looks like a new Mac V8 8.04 was just deployed today. Look at the applications list and you will see it has today's date. The 8.03 (osx_12) is old from Jan 2016.
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Message 1952817 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 2:42:33 UTC

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Message 1952831 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 4:00:15 UTC - in response to Message 1952817.  

A PSU That Can Power Two Systems At Once
Interesting ... But would like to test it right now. It looks like I lost my 1200w CoolerMaster PSU in my #2 computer :(
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Message 1952832 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 4:03:26 UTC - in response to Message 1952831.  
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Interesting ... But would like to test it right now. It looks like I lost my 1200w CoolerMaster PSU in my #2 computer :(

It's released the magic smoke, or it's just sitting there with no output?
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Message 1952840 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 5:29:58 UTC - in response to Message 1952832.  

It didn't want to take a break, LOL.

The short version ... It was fine until I stopped crunching to reschedule, as soon as the load hit it again - poof, power off.
Reboot, crunched for 3 min, poof. Got into some constant repowers before OS.
Powered down for a 20 min cool off. Powered up, did some light compressing etc for a test. 15 min crunching, poof.
Powered down, did some needed maintenance on it, including new thermal compound.
Now it just don't want to go at all, just constant repowers.

I asked MicroSoft's Mr. Clippy, and he says OK, at least the 12V is, didn't test all.

Been hunting to find enough CoolerMaster 750W PCIe cab;es, now to tear down 2 computer, fun.
I wish I had Zalster's bucket of spare parts :)
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Message 1952842 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 5:50:42 UTC - in response to Message 1952840.  
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I often wonder why I have extra PSU laying around.

Then when I need them, they come in handy don't they??

Edit..

Sorry to hear about your machines. Sucks...
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Message 1952843 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 6:10:26 UTC

Well F ..... Pulling the CPU rad to get at the 8 pin ATX, it's melted :((
ASUS PX79-LE board, got a spare kinking around??

Petri, what warranty come with the Special App?
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Message 1952848 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 7:26:16 UTC - in response to Message 1952843.  

Well F ..... Pulling the CPU rad to get at the 8 pin ATX, it's melted :((
ASUS PX79-LE board, got a spare kinking around??

Petri, what warranty come with the Special App?


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Message 1952921 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 19:35:04 UTC - in response to Message 1952840.  

It didn't want to take a break, LOL.

The short version ... It was fine until I stopped crunching to reschedule, as soon as the load hit it again - poof, power off.
Reboot, crunched for 3 min, poof. Got into some constant repowers before OS.
Powered down for a 20 min cool off. Powered up, did some light compressing etc for a test. 15 min crunching, poof.
Powered down, did some needed maintenance on it, including new thermal compound.
Now it just don't want to go at all, just constant repowers.

I asked MicroSoft's Mr. Clippy, and he says OK, at least the 12V is, didn't test all.

Been hunting to find enough CoolerMaster 750W PCIe cab;es, now to tear down 2 computer, fun.
I wish I had Zalster's bucket of spare parts :)


I'm sorry to hear about power problems.
I have had my share of the motherboard pin 19 (or cable) meltdowns when I had four GPUs that used a total of 4x75W from motherboard.
After that I had my PSU full of dust. It did not deliver what it was supposed at all -- at least to the GPU cables.
And in between I had burned out PSUs.

After those events I have a spare 1000W PSU, I have bought an air compressor* to dust off whatever component needs that and I keep 2 GTX1080s just in case on my spare part box. I do not have a spare MoBo and I guess that is the next to blow apart.

It's time. Beofre the Thors Twins. Not now. Not now. Now.

* I dusted off my GPU cards by blowing with high pressure air and not by vacuuming as usual and the temps dropped by 20C !! :-( Grrr. Bad Me! (from 82 C to 57C - 64C, except the power hungry 1080Ti that runs at 72C). The Volta (TITAN V) run s at 54-55C and produces twice the output of a GTX1080 and the Volta uses most of the time only 140W.

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Message 1952922 - Posted: 30 Aug 2018, 19:38:47 UTC - in response to Message 1952843.  
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Well F ..... Pulling the CPU rad to get at the 8 pin ATX, it's melted :((
ASUS PX79-LE board, got a spare kinking around??

Petri, what warranty come with the Special App?


It is the standard warranty as is with the used car(d)s: When the smoke clears off and you can not se the tail lights the warranty is off.

I have had my share of MoBo pin meltdowns. They* do not cover it. You (Like me) have to buy a now one. :-(

*they = the manufacturers and resellers or importers and representatives.
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