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Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
It takes about that time for good whiskey to mature. Coincidence ? =:) How 'miniature suns' could provide cheap, clean energy - 16 November 2018 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46219656 We're just five years away from harnessing almost unlimited power from "miniature suns", some start-ups say: nuclear fusion reactors that could provide abundant, cheap and clean energy.Billionaire-Backed Breakthrough Energy Ventures Makes 7 More Investments - October 01, 2018 The fund started by Bill Gates backs R&D into fusion power, capturing water from the air and carbon in concrete, and other long-range efforts. https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/billionaire-backed-breakthrough-energy-ventures-makes-7-more-investments -- http://www.b-t.energy/ https://www.cfs.energy/ http://www.psfc.mit.edu/research/topics/sparc How Close Are We to Fusion Energy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW_YCWLyv6A Aug 16, 2018 Fusion: How to Put the Sun in a Magnetic Bottle - with Ian Chapman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn1SJOPgewo Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020 |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Bah Humbug ! This fiction is harder to stamp out than the ancient aliens built the pyramids. It seems to me that there is no commercial, economic reason to pursue fusion for commercial power production. Unlimited energy is more readily possible from breeder reactors, plutonium and thorium. We haven't done much with these more attainable technologies. I can't imagine the liability of having a run-away fusion reaction when the magnetic field breaks down or radiation leaks from the steam system. Fusion is interesting for sure for research and the BOMB. Let's all make predictions that we will have commercial fusion power by the end of the century. Chances are no one will be around to point out our stupidity. |
Pierre A Renaud Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 998 Credit: 9,101,544 RAC: 65 |
Oh |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36726 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
yawn |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3805 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
I do agree that progress has been made, because when I was young, fusion power was perpetually 30 years away. but now it's perpetually 15 years away. Progress! :^) //ducks out of thread ///It would be wonderful if it was actually achieved, especially for our long-term viability as a technological and eventually interplanetary species, so I do hope the research continues apace. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
According to "Nature" the USA will again support the building of ITER with 132 million USD financing in 2019. Tullio |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36726 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
According to "Nature" the USA will again support the building of ITER with 132 million USD financing in 2019.I wouldn't bet on that happening with the lunatic in charge over there ATM buddy. ;-) Cheers. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The Joint European Torus in Culham, UK, will be financed until March by the European Community. After that, all depends on the Brexit agreement (or non agreement). Tullio |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Brexit brings nuclear (con)fusion:) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00046-8 The Joint European Torus (JET) near Oxford, UK, is testing technologies for the world’s largest nuclear-fusion experiment, ITER, which is being built in southern France. Although it remains possible for the EU to keep funding JET in a ‘no deal’ Brexit, it is unclear whether this would happen. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I have written a chapter on fusion research on the Enciclopedia della Fisica, Roberto Fieschi ed, ISEDI, Milano, 1976 and although it has so far not produced any working reactor, I still think it is a worthwhile research field. In 1969 while at Trieste International Center for Theoretical Physics now called Abdus Salam I have talked with professor Bruno Coppi, the father of ALCATOR at MIT. I know he was engaged with the Russian Kurchatov Institute in Moscow on a project called IGNITOR but I don't have any news on it. Tullio |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Latest news from IGNATOR seems to be from 2017 but it looks like the project is defunkt. https://www.cremlin.eu/news/2017/meeting_on_russian_italian_ignitor_tokamak_project_at_desy/ (2010) Italy and Russia revive Ignitor http://www2.lns.mit.edu/ignitorproject/Ignitor@MIT/Fact_Sheet.html https://www.iter.org/newsline/131/169 How does Ignitor relate to ITER? "It is another option that is worth pursuing," says Azizov, a Member of the ITER Science and Technology Advisory Committe (STAC). |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I think IGNITOR was more a political project due to the friendship between Silvio Berlusconi and Vladimir Putin than a science project. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The new Hinckley Point C nuclear power station is a reactor based on fission, which will produce 7% of UK electricity, and provide power to 22% (6m) of Britain's homes when it starts to produce power in 2025. Hitachi says that the project is suspended. Tullio |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Hitachi says that the project is suspended. I think Tullio is referring to the proposed nuclear power station at Wylfa on Anglesey in north Wales. Hitachi set to cancel plans for £16bn nuclear power station in Wales https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/11/hitachi-cancel-plans-nuclear-power-station-angelsey-wales Hinkley Point C nuclear power station (HPC) is a project to construct a 3,200 MWe nuclear power station with two EPR reactors in Somerset, England. Hitachi is for all I know not involved in that project. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31001 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Did it satisfy Lawson's criterion? If yes, he deserves a Nobel prize. If not, it is just a toy. Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
I predict that we will have fusion power on the grid by the end of this century. I am confident that no one will find me wrong in this prediction. Alas, by then no one will be able to find me at all. No one, most likely, will be able to find anyone who remembers this prediction either by then. LOL As I have often stated : Fusion Power is the energy source of the future--it will always be so. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
I always like responding to my own posts--people of my age often talk to themselves. I was just wondering why not and when are we going to get solar panels in the form of normal looking roof shingles. I would also expect there to be new building codes of suggestions for roof angle and orientation based on Latitude. I would also like to know if cleaning them would be a problem or if there would be a new industry of solar roof washers. Efficiencies are getting better and costs are coming down in the solar industries. It's hard to predict breakthroughs but I can see this happening fairly soon. Let's not let this get off to China--we need an Elon Musk to emerge at say Georgia Pacific , GAF Atlas etc. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
https://www.foxnews.com/science/teen-builds-working-nuclear-fusion-reactor-in-memphis-home I have seen there is also one other teen that do the same experiments in his parents' garage in the US. Nice hobby. But question is do they get any net power? Is it scalable? Where did they get the deuterium and tritium from? |
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