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Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9956 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Fixated: "unable to stop thinking about something" "to command the attention of exclusively or repeatedly; preoccupy obsessively" Neither sound healthy to me. Just because someone is "not "fixated" upon the evils of Nazism, Communism, KKK, Radical Right and Left, et al." In no way makes them enablers of evil. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
-[ snip ]--[ snip ]--[ snip ]- Clyde, If you knew your history as you claim to, you would know that the Swastika is much, much older than the Nazi use of it and it did NOT mean anything evil. Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika The swastika (as a character å or å) is an ancient religious icon used in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia and Southeast Asia, where it has been and remains a sacred symbol of spiritual principles in Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism.[2][3][4][5] In the Western world, it was historically a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck,[6] but in the 1930s, it became the main feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result, it has become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism, hate, and mass murder.[6][7] ... |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
ClydeNotClyde said:
I Counter-Point with: Mirror or Any Reflection Device is MORE EVIL than.....dA 'Swastika' or Any Other 'Symbol'. Why? Sure 'You' Have Guessed. Look 'at' dA 'Mirror' and 'See' - OURSELVES. I and You and Them are dA MOST EVIL in History, Now, and Future. I, if not Directly, have Indirectly Caused; Perpetuated; Influenced; or Otherwise 'Flapped' 'My' 'Butterfly Wings' and EVIL Occured and Continues to Exist. So, I'm gunna Find me a Nice PIc of A Mirror and use As An Avatar. And 'IT' Will Be MORE EVIL than dA Swastika or Name dAt 'Poison'. Evil is Yap. Oh Yes IndEEdeee. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
If you knew your history as you claim to, you would know that the Swastika is much, much older than the Nazi use of it and it did NOT mean anything evil Clyde, If the swastika was shown in a white circle on a red background as in the Nazi flag, I would have a problem with it. If, however, the swastika was shown in the myriad other non-"evil" ways, no, I would not have a problem with it. Just because the Nazis used it for their Aryan ways does in no way make the swastika an "evil" symbol. Learn your history dude... :| Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24904 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
BTW: The original "Fixated" accusation. Is a ridiculous accusation that to mention that certain Mass Murdering and Enslaving Evils. In this case, truthfully stating that both Nazism and Communism have been responsible for murdering and enslaving over one billion people in the last hundred years.Cannot find anywhere on these boards where you have posted your gibberish about Nazism anyone that disagrees with that. In fact what is clearly seen is yourself being an enabler of evil by calling those who fought against Nazism enablers of evil. You can't have it both ways, one is either for or against. By blaming a whole nation you are for Nazism. As for your country, Japan legally did not declare war on America, they just gave you a warning attack to stop your embargoes against them It was you that declared war on them, therefore you & your fellow countrymen are enablers of evil which after what you posted, are in no position to deny. The same as the American Government, with their peoples acceptance. Purposefully burning alive Japanese children. In their Terror Bombing raids. So it must be understood that your mind must be quite a cesspit. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
If the swastika was shown in a white circle on a red background as in the Nazi flag, I would have a problem with it. If, however, the swastika was shown in the myriad other non-"evil" ways, no, I would not have a problem with it. Dude, you are getting pathetic with this crap. Ok, here's one example of non-Nazi and non"Evil" uses of the swastika. And, here's some history of the swastika. As for modern day use, you look it up. Hitler stole the swastika and turned it into what you claim as "evil". The swastika symbol is NOT evil; the Nazis use of it is. Cut the rhetoric dude. Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
If the swastika was shown in a white circle on a red background as in the Nazi flag, I would have a problem with it. If, however, the swastika was shown in the myriad other non-"evil" ways, no, I would not have a problem with it. I think he's got you from his BBC link, particularly in the pic of the Hindu boy. It's color, so more likely recent, way past WWII. Furthermore, given the centuries worth of Hindu use, he's probably using it as Hindu's intended, not how Hitler intended it. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Methinks Siran and Sarge have exposed contemporary revisionist history. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The Modern Day use of the Swastika. Is for evil. Just a Note: The attribution that Siran uses to show that the Swastika was used in the West after The Nazi's for non evil reasons. Note to all: CLYDE is saying the exception the fellow with the painted head (tattooed body?). That it is modern. So, on that, we agree. Where we disagree seems to be is that the Hindu boy ... CLYDE believes what? The Hindu boy is an evil Nazi??? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
From Christianity Today. Related or not? When did the cross supplant the ichthus (fish) as a symbol of the Christian faith?. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24904 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
On an even more serious note: The same as the American Government, with their peoples acceptance. Purposefully burning alive Japanese children. In their Terror Bombing raids.If you truly believe that, then you yourself were an enabler of evil by serving 2 tours in a country you had no right to be in. However, if you believe that you had the right to be there to prevent the spread of communism, then surely the American Government & the people's acceptance that they had the right to defeat an enemy that attacked them. You really do need to stop visiting confused.com :-) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
What If a Group or Person Wanted To Use a Swastika for LOVE, PEACE, CARING, and ALL OTHER GOoDness? And This Group or Person has a Long Reputation and Credibility as Such? And Would Continue till The END OF DA WORLD with LOVE, PEACE, CARING, and ALL OTHER GOoDness? I Would Say, GO FO IT. When Asked Why? They Would Say: Thousands of Years dA Swastika Symbolism Represented LOVE, PEACE, CARING, and ALL OTHER GOoDness, and We, dA Group or Person, WANT TO BRING BACK ITs TRUE MEANING. Hey, SOUNDS GOoD to Me. My BELIEF is Why Give SUCH POWER of HATE to a Few Straight Lines and a Few 90 Degree Angles and One Intersect of Lines? GOoD Swastika LOVING Yap May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Note to all: CLYDE is saying the exception the fellow with the painted head (tattooed body?). That it is modern. So, on that, we agree. Where we disagree seems to be is that the Hindu boy ... CLYDE believes what? The Hindu boy is an evil Nazi??? Note to all: CLYDE has, unsurprisingly, dug up what I expected him to but misrepresented it. Dig up the exact quote if you must, we all know the spirit of that was "Castro's gone, good luck Cuba". You are not being attacked by me. Over and over and over I and we in general have attempted to understand exactly what you are trying to say. But you have now attacked me. Worse, by the way you've worded this, you make it seem that your attack on me is less serious. So, the murderous Hitler is lower on the totem pole than an inhuman hurricane? This has gone beyond ridiculous. There is no point to it, anymore. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
That it is modern. So, on that, we agree. Where we disagree seems to be is that the Hindu boy ... CLYDE believes what? The Hindu boy is an evil Nazi??? You said all who use the swastika today are evil. Your brush is disgustingly wide. How did you get away with that in a classroom? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24904 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Sorry Sirius B...Just need to add a following statement of yours to make your post complete for an appropriate response: But unlike you I do wish personal "ill" including an Eternity in Hell For Murdering and Enslaving Dictators.You blather on about Nazism & Communism & how they have murdered & enslaved a billion, yet at the same time labelled those who fought against those ideologies as enablers of evil. Using the very logic you display in your post, aren't you an enabler of evil in your participation to halt the spread of communism in South East Asia - How many Vietnamese villagers did you bump off as there is no way in hell they were all Viet Cong. From January 1st 1900 to December 31st 1999 how many innocents been murdered by American enablers of evil? Going back to the events you are referring to, it seems as a history teacher albeit a retired one, you cannot comprehend 3 little words in English - World at War. |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
On an even more serious note: Special broad brush - Mind the Gaps! ... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Note to all: CLYDE is saying the exception the fellow with the painted head (tattooed body?). That it is modern. So, on that, we agree. Where we disagree seems to be is that the Hindu boy ... CLYDE believes what? The Hindu boy is an evil Nazi??? We have condemned the actions of neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. 45 and some here have equivocated on it. And they think we’re the ones squirming when we discuss the symbol? We condemn the actions!!! Squirming? Gimme a break. P.S.-an atheist would not be praying for Texas. An atheist will keep texas in the MIND and, if and when possible, depending on the damage, send money or make a trip to help rebuild. (Inclusive "or".) An atheist would not be wishing for Hell for a murderous dictator, because an atheist doesn't BELIEVE in Hell. (Hence, the lack of wishing for further ill. It's done, over. The dictator is dead and gone.) Bye! Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
-[ rhetoric snipped ]- Clyde, Go to India and tell them that their use of the swastika is a symbol of "HATE and MURDER" and is "evil" and I'm sure, at the very least, you will be deported. The swastika is NOT "evil" and is NOT a symbol of "HATE and MURDER". The use of the swastika symbol by the Nazis was and still is evil; the symbol itself is NOT. Get over yourself dude! Why do you think you are the only one saying what you are and everyone else is trying to convince you of your error? Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I think he's got you from his BBC link, particularly in the pic of the Hindu boy. It's color, so more likely recent, way past WWII. Furthermore, given the centuries worth of Hindu use, he's probably using it as Hindu's intended, not how Hitler intended it. That's two different symbols. The Swastika is a sun symbol (Hindu boy) and imitates the sun's race over the sky while the Sauwastika (the vase most likely pre WWII) symbolizes the night and forces associated with darkness, sometimes with the terrifying goddess Kali. But how many in the Western world knows that? I would say very few. Maybe there are some more in Britain. No. The Nazi Swastika is considered very evil in the Western world unless you are a neo-nazi. The Swastika is not directly a forbidden symbol but when it's used in a "political" way you probably will be prosecuted for Hate speech. I wonder if this is OK... |
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