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Message 1940940 - Posted: 23 Jun 2018, 13:45:32 UTC

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Russia's state TV about the upcoming Trump-Putin summit:
Politicians experts reiterate their belief that Trump & Putin will enter into a "secret verbal agreement," wherein Trump will look the other way with respect to Ukraine. Political scientist: “Agenda for the Trump-Putin summit should omit the word “Ukraine.”

Trump is a C*ka Bl*at!
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Message 1940943 - Posted: 23 Jun 2018, 15:32:23 UTC

Russia’s state TV:
Levels of anti-Ukraine hysteria are reaching the 2014' fever pitch. Back to the theme of the alleged “Nazi government” and claims that Ukraine presents “a national security threat to Russia.” This type of rhetoric in the past preceded military escalation.

Olga has a new dress when addressing Zjirinovskij. LOL:)
Po-Jama People:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPi9HYODBjc
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Message 1942402 - Posted: 2 Jul 2018, 21:34:56 UTC
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Q&A: Will Trump Give Away Crimea at Helsinki?
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/q-a-will-trump-give-away-crimea-at-helsinki/
On June 29, President Donald Trump told reporters that he hasn’t ruled out recognizing Russia’s illegal annexation of Ukraine's Crimea in 2014. Trump is set to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki on July 16 and many worry that he may gamble away Crimea.
US policy on Crimea has been consistent since 2014, and was clearly articulated by the State Department spokeswoman on the anniversary of Crimea’s annexation: “Crimea is part of Ukraine and our Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns control of the peninsula to Ukraine.”

UkraineAlert asked its experts and friends the following: Will President Donald Trump give away Crimea at Helsinki on July 16? Is this a real possibility, and what would a deal look like if it happened? What would it mean for Europe (and the United States)?
Trump the Genius from Karlstad don't give away anything for nothing.
So what is the deal?
Selling Alaska back to Russia perhaps?
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Message 1942570 - Posted: 4 Jul 2018, 7:19:09 UTC

Video. NBC Left Field: Ukraine's Hyper-Nationalist Military Summer Camp for Kids
"We are Ukraine's children! Let Moscow lay in ruins, we don't give a damn! We will conquer the whole world! Death, death to the Muscovites!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpV16BQfbrQ

P.S. Yes, this video is about summer of 2017, but nothing changed in 2018.
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Message 1942582 - Posted: 4 Jul 2018, 9:30:18 UTC
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P.S. Yes, this video is about summer of 2017, but nothing changed in 2018.
Got proof to back up that statement Igor?

Or is that just a personal opinion?
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Message 1942592 - Posted: 4 Jul 2018, 10:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 1942582.  

Sadly Azovets summer camp is open this summer.
Probably next summer as well:(
http://nationalcorps.org/blog/34azovec34-zaproshu-na-taboruvannja
To the attention of the junior and those who are only planning to join the friendly team of the Youth Corps! Azovets campus accepts applications for summer camps-2018!
Every young man or girl aged 9 to 17 has the opportunity to spend an unforgettable summer in the best camp of the capital!
The camp is run by the neo-Nazi party "National Corpus" and the Azov regiment,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Corps
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Message 1942594 - Posted: 4 Jul 2018, 11:28:35 UTC - in response to Message 1942582.  

P.S. Yes, this video is about summer of 2017, but nothing changed in 2018.
Got proof to back up that statement Igor?

Or is that just a personal opinion?


Because that camp (as well as many others in Ukraine) work in this year without any changes. You can look their site.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=uk&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.azovec.com%2F&edit-text=
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Message 1942738 - Posted: 5 Jul 2018, 12:55:45 UTC - in response to Message 1942594.  

Because that camp (as well as many others in Ukraine) work in this year without any changes.
Yes. Like in LPR the self-proclaimed 'Luhansk People's Republic'.
Russian invaders training future "cannon fodder" in children's camps across occupied Donbas
https://www.unian.info/war/10176344-russian-invaders-training-future-cannon-fodder-in-children-s-camps-across-occupied-donbas.html
The occupying administration of Krasnodon district is holding from June 29 to July 8 "patriotic" youth field training sessions at the children's Mechta ("Dream") recreation camp located near the village of Velykyi Sukhodil.
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Message 1943251 - Posted: 8 Jul 2018, 11:36:34 UTC

Opa:)
Croatian Player Shouting 'Glory to Ukraine' After Russia Game.
https://sputniknews.com/sochi-worldcup-2018/201807081066155841-croatia-footballer-ukraine-russia-match/
After an intense World Cup quarterfinal match between Croatia and Russia, which resulted in the latter’s defeat in a dramatic penalty shootout, Croatian defender Domagoj Vida filmed a short video, dedicating the victory to Ukraine.
The Croatian footballer, who scored the second goal in the 101st minute of the game, recorded a controversial nine-second clip, in which he shouts “Glory to Ukraine!” – a phrase that has gained notoriety as a slogan of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalists during and after the 2014 coup in the country.
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Message 1943605 - Posted: 9 Jul 2018, 21:38:41 UTC

World Cup 2018: Croatia sack assistant coach Ognjen Vukojevic over ‘Glory to Ukraine’ days before England semi-final
The former Dynamo Kiev defender has been sent home from Russia after posting a politically-charged video with defender Domagoj Vida to Facebook.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/ognjen-vukojevic-croatian-football-federation-domagoj-vida-croatia-russia-ukraine-a8438691.html
What? Sports are politically?
Why is a politically-charged video a reason to send people away from sport events?
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Message 1946670 - Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 14:23:55 UTC
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First the Crimea then the Azov Sea...
https://twitter.com/UATV_en/status/1022534109959213056
In the Azov Sea, Russian authorities have refused 144 foreign vessels access to #Ukraine's Mariupol and Berdyansk ports, strangling steel exports. Ukraine is suffering economic losses due to the unlawful detention of vessels by #Russia.
So far "only" an embargo but...
https://www.google.se/maps/place/Azovska+sj%C3%B6n/@45.4381178,34.5869351,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40e8c63d43a1622d:0xccf11b59fade860a!8m2!3d46.1564897!4d36.5866144?hl=sv
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Message 1947114 - Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 12:06:46 UTC

Russia sentences 21 political prisoners to 340 years’ imprisonment
http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1533002997
True that Hizb ut-Tahrir is controversial but in this case I think it's more than that.
Russia want Muslims out of Crimea no matter what.
So pre-emptive "law" enforcement is now used in Crimea.
There are other words for it...
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Message 1947257 - Posted: 1 Aug 2018, 14:11:44 UTC

Moomin misinformed again, indirectly.

"21 Muslims from Ufa in Bashkortostan" are not Ukrainian and not Crimean, it's 1000 miles away.
And Hizb ut-Tahrir banned in many countries, for example in Germany.
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Message 1947300 - Posted: 1 Aug 2018, 17:27:00 UTC - in response to Message 1947257.  

Moomin misinformed again, indirectly.
"21 Muslims from Ufa in Bashkortostan" are not Ukrainian and not Crimean, it's 1000 miles away.
And Hizb ut-Tahrir banned in many countries, for example in Germany.
Im' not misinformed. You probably missed this part that in Bashkortostan and Crimea, Russia prosecute people for alleged involvement in the political movements.
As in Crimea, the men were not prosecuted for any crime they had committed, only for alleged involvement in the peaceful Hizb ut-Tahrir movement.

Just by visiting Hizb ut-Tahrir homepage is enough to prosecute people for terrorism in Russia today.
So open this link to Hizb ut-Tahrir in Sweden and we will meet each other in North East Siberia doing perhaps 2 years time:)
http://hizb-ut-tahrir.se/

That Ukraine call Hizb ut-Tahrir a peaceful movement is rather strange though.
Sharia laws are not very peaceful if you ask me.

Btw Hizb ut-Tahrir is called Befrielsepartiet, (свобода партия) here in Sweden.
Contradictions in term.
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Message 1947308 - Posted: 1 Aug 2018, 19:23:27 UTC
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Oh, correction. Sorry for my primitive English. I meant moomin misinform indirectly.
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Message 1947310 - Posted: 1 Aug 2018, 19:50:49 UTC - in response to Message 1947308.  
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Using an other country than Crimea to illustrate how Russia "handle" terrorism today is not misinformation.
The muslims prosecuted for terrorism in Crimea and Basjkortostan are Tatar muslims.
Could it be relatives to Tatar muslims that was deported from Ukraine in 1944?
I would say most likely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
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Message 1947341 - Posted: 1 Aug 2018, 22:26:09 UTC - in response to Message 1947338.  
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Oh, correction. Sorry for my primitive English. I meant moomin misinform indirectly.

At Moomi, 50% of the information is fake and fantasy. I see no reason to refute it.
I wonder how he can live in delirium.
Delirium?
Well go ahead beliving in Russia's fake and fantasy world that Kremlin portraying to Russian citizens.
That's what I think living in delirium means!
How many Russian media are not controlled by Kremlin by now?
You don't have to answer. They are now very few!
And it started to get worse in 2014 when Russia illegally annexed Crimea.

And during the World Cup Kremlin prohitated Russian media to report about "police" activities!
Great success.
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Message 1947349 - Posted: 1 Aug 2018, 22:52:02 UTC

Just positive proof that Putin's brainwashing techniques with fake news really works on the gullible. ;-)
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Message 1947399 - Posted: 2 Aug 2018, 2:19:42 UTC
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The muslims prosecuted for terrorism in Crimea and Basjkortostan are Tatar muslims.
Could it be relatives to Tatar muslims that was deported from Ukraine in 1944?
I would say most likely.


Oh...
Pseudo-expert don't even know that the Bashkortostan is region of Bashkirs. Tatars (Volga Tatars) live in Tatarstan region, close to Bashkortostan. But that "23 Muslims from Bashkortostan" can be Bashkirs, not only Tatars.
And he don't know that the Volga Tatars are not the Crimean Tatars. It's two different ethnicity.
And nobody deported Volga Tatars and Bashkirs in 1944 and other years of USSR times.
And he don't know that the Crimea was not Ukrainian in 1944.
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Message 1947409 - Posted: 2 Aug 2018, 3:06:34 UTC - in response to Message 1947349.  

Just positive proof that Putin's brainwashing techniques with fake news really works on the gullible. ;-)

Just proof that western people will trust any fakes and nonsenses about Russia if those fakes and nonsenses will close to stereotypes of their mentality, formed by implicit propaganda.
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