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Message 1931020 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 10:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 1931009.  

Chernobyl in a nutshell
Scary.
Good thing though that there are remedies to radiation sickness.
In Pripyat near Chernobyl they drink vodka.

In the US in Capital Wasteland, Nuka-Cola.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipi98vn7B4

Actually that alcohol should be a remedy to radiation sickness is a long lived urban myth.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-05-22/news/mn-7006_1_soviet-official

btw. I have played the computer games Fallout, New Vegas and S.T.A.L.K.E.R :)
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Message 1931024 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 11:51:54 UTC - in response to Message 1931017.  

Chernobyl in a nutshell

When one of my all time favourite computer games makes it into politics I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

By the way this game has nothing to do with Chernobyl and I fail to see the relevance. Whereas on the other had this one does.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl


Do you have heard of sarcasm? Keep calm and relaxed.

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Message 1931025 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 12:05:26 UTC

Oh yes I understand sarcasm, however I didn't see any in that post and have found over the years it is very difficult to get across well in the written word.
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Message 1931030 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 12:44:22 UTC - in response to Message 1931025.  

Oh yes I understand sarcasm, however I didn't see any in that post and have found over the years it is very difficult to get across well in the written word.
Is it not up to the opening poster to decide what is off topic or not?
That someone bring other countries in to the discussion to maybe balance it and give some perspective is very OK to me.
Bring it on and stay Cheeki Breeki:)
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Message 1931035 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 13:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 1931031.  

Oh yes I understand sarcasm, however I didn't see any in that post and have found over the years it is very difficult to get across well in the written word.
Is it not up to the opening poster to decide what is off topic or not?
That someone bring other countries in to the discussion to maybe balance it and give some perspective is very OK to me.
Bring it on and stay Cheeki Breeki:)

Just up to the original poster if off topic or not? That is debatable.

However, we welcome new posters from other countries in order to expand our knowledge of our differences and similarities.

Edit: We must also acknowledge and understand the limitations of Google Translate and other translation apps.


This is easy to understand. No need to Translate.
;) ;) :D


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Message 1931089 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 21:33:32 UTC - in response to Message 1931035.  
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Absorb Ukraine?
Russia has always believed that Ukraina is Russian.
History lesson nr 1. Putin loves history:)
I skip to Catherine the Great with the first annexation of Crimea in 1784 because it was during her reign the mess in Ukraine really started.
http://www.crimeahistory.org/the-first-annexation-of-crimea-1784/

And at that time the other parts of Ukraine than Crimea was undeveloped and Catherine even offered about 1000 Swedish farmers from Dagö, today in Estonia called Hiiumaa, to come to Ukraine and settle down at river Dnepr close to Crimea.
The story of Gammalsvenskby - the small village in Ukraine where you still speak Swedish today
On 20 August 1781, almost 1000 Swedes departed from Dagö and began a journey to Ukraine that would take 9 months. They walked through Belarus on foot and during the trip, about a third of people came under cold, food shortages and illness.
On 1 May 1782 they finally arrived. It is said that their first words when they saw their new residence were "now we were really tricked". None of the promises existed. No houses, no wood and no prepared fields.
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Message 1931208 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 6:58:57 UTC
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Mister "Fingers in every pie" wrote nonsense once again, as usually. In brief, that time, in 1784, nobody in the world thought the Crimea is the part of Ukraine. And the term "Ukraine" was not ethnic but geographical only, and it didn't even adjoin to the Crimea. And if to speak about Ukrainian people (in the modern ethnic sense) in Crimea, they didn't live in Crimea, some of them was in Crimea but only as a some part of slaves of Crimean Tartar slave traders.
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Message 1931216 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 8:34:08 UTC

Also, about "Russians had been destabilizing Crimean Tartars for years". Wow, what a hypocrisy!
Crimean Tartars for hundreds years was in the first line of suppliers for slave markets of the Ottoman Empire. Crimean Tartars for hundreds years, every year or two years, raided to Russia for looting and slave hunt in Russian villages. These raids began after Crimea became independent about 1441 and lasted until the peninsula came under Russian control in 1774. In 1769, a last major Tatar raid resulted in the capture of 20,000 Russian and other Slavic slaves.
Those bad Russians destabilize innocent Crimean Tartars before 1774... It's not the truth, it's the perverted logic.

P.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_raids_into_East_Slavic_lands
"Estimates of the number of people involved vary: according to Alan W. Fisher the number of people deported from the Slavic lands on both sides of the border during the 14th to 17th centuries was about 3 million."
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Message 1931222 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 10:16:27 UTC - in response to Message 1931216.  
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about "Russians had been destabilizing Crimean Tartars for years". Wow, what a hypocrisy!
Hypocrisy?
Why shouldn't the Russians had been destabilizing the Crimean Tartars for years giving the fact that Crimean Tartars were slave traders at that time?

Strange. My link is to the Crimea Historical Society.
One would think that people that actually live there know their own history.
But maybe I'm wrong.
Oh. I forgot. Their narrative is probably not approved by Vova Putin.
The Crimea Historical Society was founded in January 2009 in Simferopol, Crimea. Our members and participants are the enthusiasts of history, geography and ecology whose goal is to discover and to preserve the treasure of the Crimean history.
On this website you will find the materials of our research and also factual information that can be interesting to the English speaking public. We created www.crimeahistory.org in order to publish information about new historic and archeological findings, popularize the region’s rich culture and also to promote tourism.
Information on this website does not represent any political views or official government position. This is just a website of the group of enthusiast of Crimean history who want to share it with the world. We hope you enjoy it!
Hmm. Do I smell some Russian disinformation campaign here?
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Message 1931223 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 10:51:24 UTC

Blin. Time for a Vova Putin song:)
I suggest a nice Margarita drink listening to this.

Vovajugend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XNgmtwcSnI
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Message 1931252 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 15:24:12 UTC - in response to Message 1931229.  

Most of the present problem with Putin was the world's acceptance of Putin and Crimea.
World's acceptance of Putin and Crimea?
Since Russia's illegal seizure and annexation of Crimea from Ukraine on March 18, 2014, six countries have come out in support of Moscow.
Those countries are Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, and North Korea
Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela have maintained close military and economic ties to Moscow.
But how about the other 189 states in the world?
Are we all suffering from severe Russophobia?
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Message 1931256 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:30:31 UTC - in response to Message 1931253.  

No real penalties directed against Putin, just confirms his beliefs about other countries Leaders..

No real penalties? Both the EU and the US have heavy sanctions on Russia.
Many of the sanctions are now directed to the oligarks with connection to Vova.
However Vova denies all of this and thinks that it's business as usual.

What is next step? Using military force? By whom? NATO?
Hope not. Blin. Too close to comfort...
Even closer to countries like Finland and Estonia.
I know many people from there.
(My GF is a Finn but she also had a grandmother that was Russian)
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Message 1931445 - Posted: 22 Apr 2018, 22:50:33 UTC
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It's now more than 4 years since the war started in Ukraine.
The Minsk agreement have failed for several years resulting in nothing but daily casualties.
Sigh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sh6MDFJdNU
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Message 1931490 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 4:04:59 UTC - in response to Message 1931263.  

Putin, as Hitler, believes if he goes slowly and one step at a time. His adversaries will not treat his actions with real seriousness.

Once again. That's misinformation in many Western brains is the result of the subtle but continuous propaganda in the Western media.
In the reality, if somebody will ask any average Russian - must Russia include the Ukraine or a Baltic states or other countries? Answer is - No, that's not Crimea, we don't need aliens.
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Message 1931495 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 6:07:16 UTC

Sounds like we have another deplorable racist here, doesn't it?
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Message 1931499 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 7:10:28 UTC
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Wiki: Crimean–Nogai raids into East Slavic lands
The Crimean-Nogai raids were slave raids carried out by the Khanate of Crimea and by the Nogai Horde into the region of Rus' then controlled by the Grand Duchy of Moscow (until 1547), by the Tsardom of Russia (1547-1721), by the Russian Empire (1721 onwards) and by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (part of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth from 1569).
These raids began after Crimea became independent about 1441 and lasted until the peninsula came under Russian control in 1774.
Their main purpose was the capture of slaves, most of whom were exported to the Ottoman slave markets in Constantinople or elsewhere in the Middle East. The raids were an important drain of the human and economic resources of eastern Europe. They largely inhibited the settlement of the "Wild Fields" – the steppe and forest-steppe land which extends from a hundred or so miles south of Moscow to the Black Sea and which now contains most of the Russian and Ukrainian population.
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Message 1931500 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 7:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 1931499.  
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Message 1931501 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 8:21:06 UTC - in response to Message 1931495.  

Sounds like we have another deplorable racist here, doesn't it?


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Message 1931503 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 9:10:53 UTC

2016: Nadia Savchenko in Russian prison. She announced a hunger strike. Human rights activists make grandiose actions for her protection. Fourteen Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the European Union aspire to secure her freedom.


2018. Nadia Savchenko in Ukrainian prison. She announced a hunger strike. Nobody worries.
LOL.
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Message 1931510 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 11:57:54 UTC - in response to Message 1931500.  
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Tere or Привет Igor:)

Territories annexed to Ukraine...
That's a simplifaction to say the least.

Hmm... Let me think...
I feel like Бит как швед под Полтавой. Hehe:)
I think I will start with one period of Ukraine's history.

Adam Lewenhaupt was one of the commanders of the Swedish Army lead by King Karl XII of Sweden fighting with the Hetman Ivan Mazepa.
Actually I worked with Adam's great-great-something-son Adam:)
Ivan Mazepa, or Jan Mazepa that was his Polish name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Mazepa
During an event in Mazepyntsi to mark the 370th birthday (March 20, 2009) of Hetman Mazepa, President Viktor Yushchenko called for the myth about the alleged treason of Mazepa to be dispelled. According to Yushchenko the hetman wanted to create an independent Ukraine, and architecture thrived in Ukraine over the years of Mazepa's rule: "Ukraine was reviving as the country of European cultural traditions".[15] The same day around a hundred people held a protest in Simferopol against the marking of the 370th birthday of Mazepa.[11][12] In May 2009 the Russian foreign ministry stated in an answer to Ukraine's preparations to mark the 300th anniversary of the battle of Poltava and plans to erect a monument to Mazepa that those were attempts at an "artificial, far-fetched confrontation with Russia.[13]
Do you want me to include The Polish and Lituanian Empire's aspirations of Ukraine as well.
For heavens sake. Kremlin's interests in Ukraine and especially Crimea are only military and economic.
That so many ethnic Russian live in Ukraine is part of Russia's tactics when invading countries.
First invade, then move your population to the country and eventually it is a Russian territory. Forever!

I wonder when Russia will annex parts of Estonia?
After all the city of Narva and the north-east region is populated by almost entirely ethnic and Russian citizens.
At the newly acquired independence in 1991, the Estonia represented only 60% of the population. About 35% were Russian-speaking (Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians). These groups are greatest in the north-east (Narva is almost entirely Russian-speaking). In Tallinn, half the population is Russian-speaking.
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