I'm more concered of they who are not remorseful.
That goes for other real criminals like pedophiles and sexual abusers.

I agree that the remorseless are the most concerning, but how do you know every pedophile or sexual abuser isn't remorseful? They're obviously sick, and likely it's a compulsion for them. If there are remorseful murderers, there can be remorseful pedophiles and sexual abusers too.

Come to think about terrorists.
Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
Why was the US and Irak so quick to finishing them off?
In my opinion the best way would be to let them spend the rest of their lifes in some desert sh*t hole. Death Valley perhaps.

Again you're over-generalizing and veering off topic. The conversation started out about pedophiles, then you've brought in murderers and now terrorists.

Personally I think Osama and Saddam should have gotten fair trials, and I disagree with the US's unilateral action on both men.

Yes, I get there's bad people in the world. People who just want to watch the world burn. People who don't care about others and will kill to make the world according to their views. These people are sick. Some can be helped. Some cannot. All deserve a fair trial, and all deserve to be treated better than they treated their victims, because we must prove we're better than they are.

Again you're over-generalizing and veering off topic. The conversation started out about pedophiles, then you've brought in murderers and now terrorists.

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!
As Gary said!

Now as to sex perverts, how about ISIL, who just burned 19 Yazidi women alive, put them in a cage, poured gas over them and lit them on fire, because they wouldn't consent to be raped?

Do you want more examples of that kind of terrorism?

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!

I love how we continuously dilute words until they have any meaning we want them to have.

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!

I love how we continuously dilute words until they have any meaning we want them to have.

Big question mark?

My definition of terrorism includes actions that are intended to create fear, which is performed to achieve a personal goal and that has an intentional focus on disregarding personal safety.

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!

I love how we continuously dilute words until they have any meaning we want them to have.

Orlando nightclub shooting

“This is an incident … that we certainly classify as a domestic terror incident,” Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said at the news conference. The FBI is involved in the investigation, authorities said.

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!

I love how we continuously dilute words until they have any meaning we want them to have.

Big question mark?

My definition of terrorism includes actions that are intended to create fear, which is performed to achieve a personal goal and that has an intentional focus on disregarding personal safety.

A rapist's or pedophile's intent is not to create fear, but a compulsion of sexual gratification at the expense of an unwilling or helpless partner. Rapists and pedophiles are predators, not terrorists.

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!

I love how we continuously dilute words until they have any meaning we want them to have.

Orlando nightclub shooting

“This is an incident … that we certainly classify as a domestic terror incident,” Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said at the news conference. The FBI is involved in the investigation, authorities said.

The night club was a popular one for gays. If the shooter was anti-gay, I can almost see it as a terrorist incident if the intent is to cause fear in alternative lifestyles.

What?
Pedophilea and sexual abuse is terrorism!

I love how we continuously dilute words until they have any meaning we want them to have.

Big question mark?

My definition of terrorism includes actions that are intended to create fear, which is performed to achieve a personal goal and that has an intentional focus on disregarding personal safety.

A rapist's or pedophile's intent is not to create fear, but a compulsion of sexual gratification at the expense of an unwilling or helpless partner. Rapists and pedophiles are predators, not terrorists.

Geez...
Are you trolling me?
To me rapists, pedophiles and terrorists are all scum bags!
They all use terror to reach their goal!

A rapist's or pedophile's intent is not to create fear, but a compulsion of sexual gratification at the expense of an unwilling or helpless partner. Rapists and pedophiles are predators, not terrorists.

Do you mean to say that terrorists don't hunt for their victims (helpless or otherwise)?

So doesn't that make terrorists predators as well?

Word play can work in many directions as you yourself know very well Ozz. ;-)

Cheers.

Geez...
Are you trolling me?

Interesting. I was starting to think the same of you. Every discussion I enter with you always results in confusing, off topic comments or highly generalized statements that only serve to dilute the topic.

To me rapists, pedophiles and terrorists are all scum bags!

That's fine if you consider them all scum bags. I don't exactly think they're great people myself.

They all use terror to reach their goal!

As I previously said, rapists and pedophiles do not use terror as their goal. It is a result of their goal that their victim ends up terrorized, but it is not the goal of a rapist or pedophile to cause terror.

A rapist's or pedophile's intent is not to create fear, but a compulsion of sexual gratification at the expense of an unwilling or helpless partner. Rapists and pedophiles are predators, not terrorists.

Do you mean to say that terrorists don't hunt for their victims (helpless or otherwise)?

So doesn't that make terrorists predators as well?

Yes, terrorists can be predators as well. But the logic doesn't hold. Just because a terrorist is a predator, and a pedophile is a predator, doesn't make a pedophile a terrorist. It makes them both predators of different styles.

Word play can work in many directions as you yourself know very well Ozz. ;-)

Cheers.

Wow. Simply wow. I didn't realize facts were now considered word play in the opposite direction.

A rapist's or pedophile's intent is not to create fear, but a compulsion of sexual gratification at the expense of an unwilling or helpless partner. Rapists and pedophiles are predators, not terrorists.

Do you mean to say that terrorists don't hunt for their victims (helpless or otherwise)?

So doesn't that make terrorists predators as well?

Yes, terrorists can be predators as well. But the logic doesn't hold. Just because a terrorist is a predator, and a pedophile is a predator, doesn't make a pedophile a terrorist. It makes them both predators of different styles.

A terrorist wants to create fear in a group of people. A pedophile wants sexual gratification. Rapists want power. In general.

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What annoys me is this:

In wartime if a combatant is caught behind the lines in his enemy's uniform he is shot.

Yet in peacetime nothing is done but imprison when society's laws are broken.

WHY? What's the difference?

There are no justifications in war!

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You really don't understand South East Asia do you lot .

he will not get any bad punishments buy other inmates in Malaysia as I said it goes on way more than any of your understand in that part of the world .

executing them won't work .

Example in another part of the world .

In Pakistan a person that kills there daughter in a honor killing will not go to jail for murder if the Victims family or the person that was attacked but did not die forgives them .

There is a law before the Pakistan government right now to change the law and make this type of crime illegal.

As for south East Asian country's they also need to change there laws for child abuse and the people also have to change there attitudes .

So executing them does nothing and won't stop it , torture won't stop it .

I am against capital punishment even for this scumbag . Lock him up in solitary confinement in a cell with a cloths hook high enough so that if he does get remorse full he may knock himself off by hanging himself .

I do not agree in putting some in a cell where they can't hang them self's after doing such a heinous crime .

But it's fair enough for a lesser crime to have them in a cell where they can't hang them self's out of depression , but not for a scumbag like him or Brevik or Bryent

If you have capital punishment then some person will have to push a button or pull the trigger and therefore the executioner is also a murderer .

THOU SHALL NOT KILL 1st law of god

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You really don't understand South East Asia do you lot .

he will not get any bad punishments buy other inmates in Malaysia as I said it goes on way more than any of your understand in that part of the world .

executing them won't work .

Example in another part of the world .

In Pakistan a person that kills there daughter in a honor killing will not go to jail for murder if the Victims family or the person that was attacked but did not die forgives them .

There is a law before the Pakistan government right now to change the law and make this type of crime illegal.

As for south East Asian country's they also need to change there laws for child abuse and the people also have to change there attitudes .

So executing them does nothing and won't stop it , torture won't stop it .

I am against capital punishment even for this scumbag . Lock him up in solitary confinement in a cell with a cloths hook high enough so that if he does get remorse full he may knock himself off by hanging himself .

I do not agree in putting some in a cell where they can't hang them self's after doing such a heinous crime .

But it's fair enough for a lesser crime to have them in a cell where they can't hang them self's out of depression , but not for a scumbag like him or Brevik or Bryent

If you have capital punishment then some person will have to push a button or pull the trigger and therefore the executioner is also a murderer .

THOU SHALL NOT KILL 1st law of god

He isn't in Malaysia, if you read the article he was sentenced in the Old Bailey, last time I heard that was in London.

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He isn't in Malaysia, if you read the article he was sentenced in the Old Bailey, last time I heard that was in London.

Ok then he may get what he deserves .

Still I go back to what I said you don't understand what happens in these country's .

Why did it take the Australian police to do the work of the Malaysian police and why did the British police not know ?

AS I said it happens all the time our police do understand and that why we knew .

Why do you think the Australian police did not contact the Malaysian police ?

Because we know what things are like in theses country's .

You can pay just $50 in places like Bali and Malaysia for 12 year old or younger girls and have sex with them all night in fact $50 get the girl all week.

It's only when it makes headline news in the west that they do something and 6 months after the hoopla stops things go back to normal .

Here you go to Bali or Thailand Malaysia to often then you may well get the Australian police watching you if you fit the Pedofile profile so capital punishment does not work when your police forces don't understand like the British police.

These country's are corrupt the local police force turn a blind eye to it until our police start asking questions .

He only got away with doing it because they are corrupt

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