He says in the Doco that the 14,000 ton structure Duga 3 cost several times more than the reactors did .... what how can 14,000 tons of steel cost more than a reactor witch I would assume has at least that much steel in it .

A very good reason to cover it up if that OHR did not actually work .There are others I'm wondering how much they cost ...not as much as the one at Chernobyl I bet .

If you do get a chance to watch it I would do so you will see why it's so compelling .

I've found this review from theguardian and I think it's got 5 stars from the sundance festival

SBS does not show crap Doco's and they have one of Australia's best news services seeing as they have the same charter as the ABC

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jan/30/sundance-2015-review-the-russian-woodpecker-chernobyl-ukraine

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kong it's not the woodpecker that the Doco is trying to tell people about , apart from the accident it's self .

He is hinting on the fact that the Stalinists are still in power and are getting old now so there is a bigger risk to the world than what people think there is .

You can check this out if you still have your ham radios apparently the woodpecker signal has restarted have you herd anything ?????

If it has why are they still using a out dated tech as you say satellites are much better . Old dogs never learn ?

And this is news.... how? It is a known fact, in my case since Puto^Hin assumed power.

As to why it might be operational now... well... not as an OTH radar, but that equipment can have a number of other uses. 10 megawatts of power on the transmitter in the shortwave radio bands can cover a good chunk of the world. At first, I had a thought of jamming, but the internet has pretty much depopulated shortwave compared to what it once was... but the coverage area... my second (more reasoned) thought would be as a backup signaling network for military command/control, since China has demonstrated the capability to knock out satellites. Since the pulse characteristics were a result of a pseudo-random binary code they could conceivably be used to communicate data.

Yes, there are better ways for the Russkies to do this, but as you imply... why not reuse what is there?

Reuse Duga-3?
Yuriy and Sergei get inside once extremely secret military base with it's famous Russian Woodpecker - over the horizon radar - also known as a "Steel Yard"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQfzUHeH4Eg
The Duga project is estimated to have cost 20 billion dollars.
Did it work?
Not if you are trying to see over the North Pole where Aurora Borealis is.

Now that the Kremlin should have arranged a nuclear disaster to cover up the Duga project seems very far fetched to me.
Stalinists or not.

Did it work?

It works if the enemy thought it worked.

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Did it work?

It works if the enemy thought it worked.

Duga was also connected to the "Dead Hand" system also known as "Perimeter".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)

Did it work?
It works if the enemy thought it worked.
Duga was also connected to the "Dead Hand" system also known as "Perimeter

maybe that's why the woodpecker signal has apparently started back up .

20 billion is a very good reason to have a accident if the money had been misused . It cost more than the reactors did .

It wasn't the soviet military that ordered chenobal to go ahead with the test that day .

It was 1 man at the very top who was in control apparently and he would have been arrested and then shot for treason.

People have done very bad things for a lot less and 20 billion is not chump change that's for shore not when you think 20 billion in 1986 was like 200 billion now

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Did it work?

It works if the enemy thought it worked.

Duga was also connected to the "Dead Hand" system also known as "Perimeter".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)

You should check that out Darth it's real and most probably still operational even if things are a bit run down . Talk about Dr Strangelove this is the real deal mate , il email you some links about it :-)

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Did it work?

It works if the enemy thought it worked.

Duga was also connected to the "Dead Hand" system also known as "Perimeter".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)

You should check that out Darth it's real and most probably still operational even if things are a bit run down . Talk about Dr Strangelove this is the real deal mate , il email you some links about it :-)

I have not seen the docu. But some interviews from the filmmakers promotion tours.
As far I can see Fedor points out that could be contriversal is that there are still Stalinist people in many offices in Ukraine and Russia.
And that the staff at Chernobyl was in a lot of pressure from Moscow.
The american Chad Gracia is the one who made the film.
He does that in a format very well suited for a big audience.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7mgNTN317M

Jann that clip doesn't do it Justice they should have done it to scale as it's 1/2 kilometre wide .

Weather the OHR worked are not is sort of missing the point about the whole thing really as the Discovery Doco shows there where a lot of money being ripped off from the Chenobal reactor when it was being built.

The man at the top I believe knew there was problems and he knew about all the kick backs and rip off's as he was one of them who was doing it . So knew it would not take much to blow it and was the perfect cover story .

Near the end of the Doco Fedora changes what he is say because he says he was told by the authorities that they would kill his son and family . He was going to go to Moscow to get more answers and bring what evidence he had.

But he became very scared and told the film crew that he wasn't going to go to Moscow and what he has been saying did not happen .

He left the country after that .

He did return but only after the people rose up and occupied the square in Kiev and that is where he then goes on stage and starts to tell the crowd about it with his face televised on big screens.

I remember hearing some thing about this during the occupation on the square in Kiev when it was going on but I and most dismissed it as propaganda from the rebels or just rumors but now I know it did actually happen he did go on stage and start talking about it and they show this near the end of the Doco .

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Jann that clip doesn't do it Justice they should have done it to scale as it's 1/2 kilometre wide .

The clip is from a computer game that first was relesed 1999.
I have played that and also my "grandchildren" :)

I have decided to rewatch The Russian Woodpecker again on SBS Demand .

There is a interview with the Duga Deputy Commander a Col. Nikolai Shkurat and I quote
" The Duga upset many people in Europe "

"It also caused many problems within the U.S.S.R "

"SOS signals , Mayday signals , used the same range "

"So the chief designer had to adjust the frequencies "

"to think how to make them fit "

"But after this review , when we used the new Frequency "

"Our installation could not overcome the Northern Lights" and this is a direct quote from a man that should know what was going on .

So you now know it did not work and there was a final review of this project and it would have failed .

Not such a silly conspiracy theory now is it .And to think that OHR cost 2 x what the reactor cost .

And it did not work , that's 7 billion reasons to hatch a plan to cover up the waste of so much money (7 billion is the number given by the Antenna Man whom also gives a interview just before the Col. does and quotes I am using)

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The man Fedora says had the motive and power to order the reactor to go ahead with the test that went wrong .

This man started working on the OHR in 1948 he was responsible for building the Duga 2 .

This man when the Duga 2 started in 1980 was promoted to Minister for communications .

He was also the president of the Soviet Cuban Friendship Society !!!!

Soviet Minister Shamshin

The Soviet Cuban Friendship Society really meant war with America..............

And I don't have to remind the Americans what was happening in Cuba and the Russian influence !!!!

There is a interview with the head of the Chernobyl Investigation Committee
Vladimir Komarov and he has misgivings about some of the evidence that people where giving
And was very suspicious of what happened .

So not only Fedora was thinking there was a deliberate attempt to cause a accident and the reason was to cover up the waste of money on the Duga OHR

Mister Shamshin being the main person that was pushing for the Duga to be built would have got into big trouble had it been prove that it did not work because of the Northern Lights problem . The Soviet penalty for wasting public money on this scale would be death .

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when was the final military tests to occur ??

1st September 1986 the accident occurred on

26th April 1986

When was Vasily Shamshin made a member of the central politburo ??

March 1986 ............

was it a coincidence ????

Vasily Shamshin was the man in 1964 that put forward the Duga OHR project , he was in charge of it and Chernobyl .

He was the one man with the power to cause the accident and the one man that had the most to lose if his billion Rupal project did not work after 20 years and 21 billion spent on the 3 OHR installations .

So is Fedora a nutcase or has he actually figured out what happened .

Are the Stailists still in control and are they getting desperate enough to set the world up for wwIII

Ukraine is a flash point that only needs the west to interfere a little bit more

Syria is the stalling tactic and another flash point , Obama is to smart to commit troops there and maybe he knows something the rest of use did not but you do now !!!

China no worries go ahead and build those Islands in the south china sea if the Americans start something no worry's we'll help you .

Now what will be the spark to ignite WWIII mmmmmmm

The "Don" if he wins the election after all the Russian think the Republicans are stupid after Bush was so incompetent .

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Glenn,

So many errors in that 'doco' it ain't funny.

1. Duga-3 entered service in 1976, and operated until 1989. It worked. The Duga-1 & 2 era was back in the 1960's, and they were somewhat low-power, not to mention being at a different site, from the western Duga-3 site near Chernobyl, or the eastern Duga-3 site in eastern Siberia. Their difficulties with it were in part caused by a loose coalition of amateur radio operators, many from Texas, jamming the h311 out of it whenever it intruded on the ham radio bands. It took a bit of time and ingenuity, but eventually jamming it became trivial. Ever hear of the 'Woodpecker Hunters Club'. <grin>
2. Duga-3 could operate not on a 'single' frequency but on a wide range of frequencies (my memory says approximately 5MHz through 20 MHz, but likely a bit further - one had to adapt to constantly changing ionospheric propagation conditions, after all). Also, see the 'Woodpecker Hunters Club' above.
3. Duga-3 had several operational modes, and on the most commonly used ones 4 separate frequencies were used.
4. The person's name is 'Fedor'. A 'Fedora' is a hat.
5. The Chernobyl disaster was caused by a combination of factors. You do correctly point to the corruption. But also, there is a danger when one lets bureaucrats and politicians issue orders involving dangerous things such as nuclear reactors. From my understanding, the disaster was made MUCH worse due to someone or something causing an emergency reactor SCRAM. The design of the control rods with graphite ends caused a huge thermal spike when they were inserted suddenly through the automatic SCRAM system, displacing the water. This thermal spike broke a number of the control rods making further containment of the chain reaction impossible. Result? Meltdown. Who or what triggered the SCRAM was, to my understanding of the events, the main unanswered question in the investigation. One does not need to invoke mysterious conspiratorial forces to explain what can be explained by simple incompetence and corruption on the part of various USSR officials. The Soviet government pukes farked up big-time, par for the course.
6. You state that the cost of duga-3 was 2x the cost of the Chernobyl reactor. But that is not the correct figure to compare things with. The cost of the CLEANUP of Chernobyl is the operative figure to compare the cost of duga-3 with, and THAT cleanup cost was approximately 18 Billion US$, and technically is still on-going. The concrete sarcophagus is nearing the end of its projected 30-year lifespan, and I think work should be underway on a massive metal replacement.

ok I spelt his name wrong fedor did you watch it as I've received a P.M from someone that did watch it but it did not have the English Subtitles so he may not of been able to understand all of it even if he can speak some Russian , I'm watching it with the subtitles so the quotes are just that direct quotes and the info come from it too

I would like to think he is wrong but it just sounds to out there to be just a conspiracy story it's to complete .

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I don't think this will work if your outside of Australia but any way it does have English subs.

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/666212419734/the-russian-woodpecker

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The concrete sarcophagus is nearing the end of its projected 30-year lifespan, and I think work should be underway on a massive metal replacement.

Yes. But as always these type of projects suffers from delays and sky rocketing costs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_New_Safe_Confinement#Project_status

Kong I was sent this and you will find it interesting . It'S back, the woodpecker signal and has only been going for a short time ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-felfJCN1A

thanks Jann

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Darth check this out mate and it's probably still operational ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTVWM31K8E

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Conspiracy theories are fun:)
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=174830.0

As with any potentially fun and interesting enigma, there were (and are) no end of conspiracy theory games that surround it. At times, the Russian Woodpecker has been deemed by the tinfoil-hat set to be a Russian weather-control system, a Mind Control device, a surveillance (as in, listening to your living room) device, beacons for aliens, and of course (since they're electromagnetic and powerful) brainchildren of the late, great Nikola Tesla. That latter might make them death rays, Tesla Globe generators, versions of Wardenclyffe, who knows. Some of the nonsense is fun to read, but most of it's junk. A great deal of these so-called 'experts' seem to confuse the pulse frequency with the actual signal frequency, leading to statements like this: "The Russian signals are primarily pulsed at the very dangerous 10 Hertz Extreme Low Frequency (ELF)." (from a tripod.com member's site on Tesla) Sigh. Google mind control and russian woodpecker together, see what you get.

The Ukrainian-developed computer game S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has a plot focused on the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and the nuclear accident there. The game heavily features actual locations in the area, including the Duga-3 array. It is presented as the "Brain Scorcher", a wide-area mind control device which must be deactivated by the player.

The Russian Woodpecker also appeared on the History Channel on That's Impossible as a suspected weather control device used by the U.S.S.R. (original air date 5/1/2010 10am CDT).

On a BBC Horizon documentary, the Mysterious Mr. Tesla, doctor Andrew Michrowski (the Planetary Association for Clean Energy) speculated that the Woodpecker could in fact be a Soviet mind control transmitter, imposing on people's ability to think rationally and stay calm. (original air date 20th December 1982)

The Mysterious Mr. Tesla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZjCHPxJw24

There is also a similar US project called HAARP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
Over time, HAARP has been blamed for triggering catastrophes such as floods, droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, earthquakes in Iran, Pakistan, Haiti, Turkey, Greece and the Philippines, major power outages, the downing of TWA Flight 800, Gulf War syndrome, and chronic fatigue syndrome.