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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30994 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Darwinian Yes. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-pasadena-horrific-crash-20160331-story.html Authorities said there is no indication the vehicles were racing, but the Ford Mustang was speeding. Speed limit there is 35, so over double. |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Car vs. F-18. Not your normal accident. Not sure I like the idea that anyone can crash a car through a gate into a naval base, or that that fact has been publicized. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30994 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Car vs. F-18. Not your normal accident. I'm sure the commander at that base has some explaining to do. And every other base commander will be checking perimeter security. http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/03/31/freeway-car-chase-ends-crash-into-jet-naval-air-station-lemoore/82470494/ |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Not sure I like the idea that anyone can crash a car through a gate into a naval base, or that that fact has been publicized. In the UK, I think most - if not all - airbases have deliberately weakened sections of fencing: not weak enough to let casual trespassers wander through, but weak enough for a fully-laden fire tender to crash through without waiting for a keyholder. Usually they are in remote parts of the perimeter, far away from any sensitive equipment, so initially I was more worried that the car could crash through the gate and run into a fighter plane in one sentence. But then I read The driver eventually left State Route 198, smashed through a gate at the base and hit the FA-18E Super Hornet parked about 7 miles inside the base, Ashliman said. Not much base standing orders can do about that. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19386 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Not sure I like the idea that anyone can crash a car through a gate into a naval base, or that that fact has been publicized. Gates/Barriers were weakened at British Military Bases in the late 70's or early 80's following a couple of accidents. One on wet cobbles and the other on ice where serious injuries occurred. To counter this a high security installations a second barrier was installed, effectively re-creating the medieval killing zone. Edit] This system was also employed at Afsouth HQ Naples, with a US Marines manned machine guns covering the area. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 66318 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Car vs. F-18. Not your normal accident. Here the local Marine Annex in Yermo, has barriers in place behind the chain link fencing, at unused gates it's actually much tougher, but then sometimes the base works on vehicles like the M1 tank. Savoir-Faire is everywhere! The T1 Trust, T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, America's First HST |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3340 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
From the Lost Hills Sheriff's Station Facebook Page: Malibu, California: Driver Escapes From Dangling SUV on Cliff, Then Gets Hit by Bus, Police Say At 4:30 pm, Malibu-Lost Hills Sheriff's Station responded to a vehicle accident on Malibu Canyon Road, 1/2 mile south of the tunnel. The male adult driver lost control of his vehicle, nearly going over the side. The driver became disoriented and exited the vehicle and was struck by a passing tour bus. Fortunately for the man, he was conscious and breathing on our arrival and was treated by the fast response of our partners at the Los Angeles County Fire Department and California Highway Patrol. He was transported to a local hospital for treatment. |
Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20 |
Not sure I like the idea that anyone can crash a car through a gate into a naval base, or that that fact has been publicized. That "7 miles inside the base" can be misleading. NAS Lemoore is huge, with many square miles of farmland surrounding the Operations/Flightline area and separating it from the Admin/Housing area of the base. The OPS area is about 7 miles from the Main Gate, but it is accessed via roads that do NOT go through the Main Gate. It is a separately fenced and secured area. The way local news is reporting this episode, I can't tell whether there was time to raise the Security/Crash barriers at the Ops Gates before the speeding car came through. I do know that once it got onto Ops, it was chased by both Base Security and the CHP helicopter, but the CHP helo was first on the scene when the car hit the aircraft. Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22519 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Lots of them - and probably will be around for a good few years given the number of farms that are split by railways and don't have suitable roads to act as links :-( Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Lots of them - and probably will be around for a good few years given the number of farms that are split by railways and don't have suitable roads to act as links :-( That's bad news :-( I had deliveries in that region back in 2003 & had a farm to deliver to. The "road" was atrocious. However when we got to the crossing, had my crewmate drive the truck while I got out & scanned the line & did the same on our exit. Thought something would have been done about that since. Looks like I was wrong. Got plenty of jibes afterwards but my answer shut them up. "I like breathing". |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30994 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Lots of them - and probably will be around for a good few years given the number of farms that are split by railways and don't have suitable roads to act as links :-( Still lots of them over here https://goo.gl/maps/vbow6H2qk6x |
Mark Stevenson Send message Joined: 8 Sep 11 Posts: 1736 Credit: 174,899,165 RAC: 91 |
Lots of them - and probably will be around for a good few years given the number of farms that are split by railways and don't have suitable roads to act as links :-( There's 3 unmanned crossing in my village , never been a accident at either of those crossings, accdents happen at the crossing by Melton station where the main road crosses the track and that has got lights and sposed to be getting barriers fitted aswell , that's inbetween the unmanned crossings , 2 of them one side of the station and 1 the other. Here a link to the story in the local paper this morning http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/railway_near_thetford_reopens_after_train_and_tractor_level_crossing_crash_1_448953 Life is what you make of it :-) When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Slightly train related :-) Just wonder how modern drivers get their licenses? How obvious is this one? Sorry, left glasses at home |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30994 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Slightly train related :-) Modern drivers take drivers education from the school of hard knocks. It will teach you the lessons, but at a price and you do have to listen to the teacher. Southern Railway said lorries hit the bridge roughly twice every month, causing cancellations and severe delays.I'd think dispatching some backhoes to lower the road might be a better response. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Knowing the total height of your vehicle might be better :-) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30994 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Knowing the total height of your vehicle might be better :-) That would mean getting out of the climate controlled cab and doing work with a tape measure. Can't get our hands dirty now can we? :) And besides there isn't any place to enter the height into the sat nav anyway! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Height of truck & load 14'0", height of bridge 13'9"... ...hmm, let's do the math... ...oops :-) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30994 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Height of truck & load 14'0", height of bridge 13'9"... But the sat nav said this was the route to take, and if we don't take the roue the sat nav says we'll be fired! |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
I'd think dispatching some backhoes to lower the road might be a better response. We have a low height underpass down town here, that gets hit several times a year. The city looked into the backhoe option, but it would include lowering a water main and a storm sewer, plus changing the drainage for several blocks around. Not a small job. The railroad, of course, is not too willing to pay for any of this, the charter they got in 1857 limits their liability. The railroad has installed sacrificial barriers on each side, and that is what gets hit. Here is a recent picture of the fun and games. |
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