@janneseti

With respect to those people who are assuming that science best is being carried out by means of trying to understand the concepts of science, my explanation, or possibly view on this subject probably is the better option when it comes to this subject.

@musicplayer
What is your explanation to this subject?
You don't understand the concepts of science!

Janneseti, that much is obvious. Why are you bothering?

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@janneseti

With respect to those people who are assuming that science best is being carried out by means of trying to understand the concepts of science, my explanation, or possibly view on this subject probably is the better option when it comes to this subject.

@musicplayer
What is your explanation to this subject?
You don't understand the concepts of science!

Janneseti, that much is obvious. Why are you bothering?

I'm having a bad day. Late night that is:)

Did I ever say I was an atheist, or perhaps an agnostic?

Am I supposed to be able to be a better scientist, whether or not I choose to be one thing for another?

A possible notion about the existence of God should be by means of the physical world you are supposed to be living in and the possible dirt which you may be able to step on at times.

Because of such a fact, scientists do not necessarily have to dig up such kinds of facts all the time in order to see the magnificence and splendor that nature at time may be able to produce.

Rather, we choose to make science out of it in order to try learning about as well as finding out even more.

Possibly having a conscious mind does not necessarily mean, give the impression, or imply that you may be having a religious belief or attitude when it comes to certain subjects.

Conscience does not necessarily differentiate between the good or the bad, but both these things could well be dealing with the subject of religion and most likely not too much else.

The question then becomes whether or not religion is supposed to be for the "good" or the "bad" and whether or not this subject is the best or only option available or present in order to give any answers to these questions.

In my opinion, being able to carry out valuable science should not be a valid reason for ridiculing the whole subject of religion either.

The point is that currently not all of the aspects being related to the subject of religion and the possible belief you might be having should be related to or inferred as being thought of as such by means of the teaching of science.

I don't believe in GOD OK? Sorry if that offends your sensibilities, that is how it is. But in return I will NOT mock your beliefs. Fair enough?

Quoting without permission.

You certainly know that I am not necessarily excluding one thing for or against the other.

Still I think I may have the time at possibly carrying out some valuable science.

But most people should be familiar that science is supposed to be carried out in one given or specific way and not just another.

Therefore, even a game of cards does not necessarily mean a game of bridge. I forgot to mention that.

Religion is supposed to be about a possible perception or knowledge about the good and the bad and the possible difference between these two subjects or entities.

You are not supposed to be ridiculing religion. Instead you are supposed to be doing so when it comes to the subject of science.

Or perhaps it should be the other way around. Who really knows.

In the end, science is supposed to be about understanding and knowledge. Your possible conscience is not supposed to matter or playing a part when doing such a thing.

Science is for a given or specific purpose in mind, in order to return possible results or answers back in return.

Your mind, or conscience for that matter, could well be that of an angel, so to speak, or it could be that of the Devil, on the other hand. Whether or not your attitude, or what you could be able to learn is supposed to be for the sake of science, thereby meaning knowledge and understanding.

The Big Bang could well have been for a specific purpose in mind and in order to try understanding why such an event ever happened, we try to explain this event by means of or in the context of science.

Not by means of a possible way of thinking as the universe being created by means of any spirit, at least when it comes to such when it comes to the mind.

Possibly understanding nature is about making a difference between what is supposed to be lies. Ridiculing certain elements of science does not make things any better, whether or not such science is about Black Holes and neutron stars, or the possible notion we might be having about the possible existence of God.

Raising Children Without Religion May Be A Better Alternative, Suggests New Research

"Atheists “were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s,” accounting for less than half of one percent of inmates, according to reports by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. “This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century,” Zuckerman writes, “the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.”
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“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated,” writes Zuckerman. “It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”"

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Raising Children Without Religion May Be A Better Alternative, Suggests New Research

"Atheists “were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s,” accounting for less than half of one percent of inmates, according to reports by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. “This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century,” Zuckerman writes, “the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.”
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“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated,” writes Zuckerman. “It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”"

I wholeheartedly agree with their findings.

A not unexpected result. Self discovery of principles rather than spoon fed mythology of which much is obviously false may play some part in this?

Welcome to the boards and project Strange-tailed tyrant.

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Raising Children Without Religion May Be A Better Alternative, Suggests New Research

"Atheists “were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s,” accounting for less than half of one percent of inmates, according to reports by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. “This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century,” Zuckerman writes, “the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.”
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“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated,” writes Zuckerman. “It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”"

Riiight. Did anyone bother to look up the study?

Because it says right in the abstract:

The authors failed to find that racial tolerance arises from humanitarian values, consistent with the idea that religious humanitarianism is largely expressed to in-group members. Only religious agnostics were racially tolerant.

Basically, the moment you start organizing as a group, you turn into an a**hole towards everyone who isn't part of your group. That whole talk about the golden rule, well its nonsense. Rationality is a poor substitute for God when it comes to promoting good behavior.

Also, why are Atheists curiously absent from the prison population? Is it because Atheists are good people? No, not at all. It probably has a lot more to do that they are predominantly part of the upper middle class and white. Who needs God when you are already in an advantaged position?

Raising Children Without Religion May Be A Better Alternative, Suggests New Research

"Atheists “were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s,” accounting for less than half of one percent of inmates, according to reports by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. “This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century,” Zuckerman writes, “the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.”
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“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated,” writes Zuckerman. “It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”"

I don't think religion is something bad or wrong.
However clergy is!

So, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that "evil" woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the guy's got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring, because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea, that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up Christianity as an anti-intellectual religion. You never want to be that smart. If you're a woman, it's going to be running down your leg, and if you're a guy, you're going to be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be a dumb f**k and you'll all go to heaven. That's the subtext of Christianity.

FZ.

"NOBODY ON EARTH CAN PROVE THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD."
Probably true, but I think it can be proven, that it has in fact been proven, that there is no specific entity identifiable as God. God may not be dead but Thor and Jehova are.

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"NOBODY ON EARTH CAN PROVE THAT THERE ISN'T A GOD."
Probably true, but I think it can be proven, that it has in fact been proven, that there is no specific entity identifiable as God. God may not be dead but Thor and Jehova are.

However I think that every proposed God has been dis-proven, because as soon as rules become attached to the God the circular logic begins to flow. That leaves a God without form, without power, without knowledge, without purpose or even requirement to continue to exist. Wait a second, that sounds a lot like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Then God must be the dice, pure randomness.

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Raising Children Without Religion May Be A Better Alternative, Suggests New Research

"Atheists “were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s,” accounting for less than half of one percent of inmates, according to reports by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. “This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century,” Zuckerman writes, “the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.”
...

“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated,” writes Zuckerman. “It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”"

Riiight. Did anyone bother to look up the study?

Because it says right in the abstract:

The authors failed to find that racial tolerance arises from humanitarian values, consistent with the idea that religious humanitarianism is largely expressed to in-group members. Only religious agnostics were racially tolerant.

Basically, the moment you start organizing as a group, you turn into an a**hole towards everyone who isn't part of your group. That whole talk about the golden rule, well its nonsense. Rationality is a poor substitute for God when it comes to promoting good behavior.

Also, why are Atheists curiously absent from the prison population? Is it because Atheists are good people? No, not at all. It probably has a lot more to do that they are predominantly part of the upper middle class and white. Who needs God when you are already in an advantaged position?

Good point, but do you think that breakdown will stay constant? I know that intellectual pursuits are often a luxury of the middle class, but in this day and age more and more people have access to information and different points of view. I wonder just how static those numbers are, especially when the younger generation is more likely to be agnostic or atheist than the older generation.

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Also, why are Atheists curiously absent from the prison population? Is it because Atheists are good people? No, not at all. It probably has a lot more to do that they are predominantly part of the upper middle class and white. Who needs God when you are already in an advantaged position?

It makes sense to me that a lot of the prison population is religious. I would think they're desperately looking for something to cling onto for comfort and hope.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Also, why are Atheists curiously absent from the prison population? Is it because Atheists are good people? No, not at all. It probably has a lot more to do that they are predominantly part of the upper middle class and white. Who needs God when you are already in an advantaged position?

It makes sense to me that a lot of the prison population is religious. I would think they're desperately looking for something to cling onto for comfort and hope.

A lot of people actually find religion when they go to prison as a way of getting though and trying to turn themselves around.

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Also, why are Atheists curiously absent from the prison population? Is it because Atheists are good people? No, not at all. It probably has a lot more to do that they are predominantly part of the upper middle class and white. Who needs God when you are already in an advantaged position?

It makes sense to me that a lot of the prison population is religious. I would think they're desperately looking for something to cling onto for comfort and hope.

A lot of people actually find religion when they go to prison as a way of getting though and trying to turn themselves around.

Interesting ...
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/17/2166481/study-throwing-kids-in-jail-makes-crime-worse-ruins-lives/

Mass incarceration of American youth is actually making the country’s crime problem worse, according to a new study of Chicago youth incarceration.

The study, conducted by Anna Aizer of Brown University and Joseph Doyle, Jr. of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, examined roughly 35,000 former Chicago public school students who had now grown up. Aizer and Doyle picked Chicago because its random judge assignment system for juvenile cases allowed them to develop a way of studying truly random (and hence representative) samples of juvenile offenders by identifying judges more likely to hand down harsher sentences.

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Good point, but do you think that breakdown will stay constant? I know that intellectual pursuits are often a luxury of the middle class, but in this day and age more and more people have access to information and different points of view. I wonder just how static those numbers are, especially when the younger generation is more likely to be agnostic or atheist than the older generation.

Just because people have access to more information and different point of views does not mean they will make use of that. I think that actually the opposite is happening, as this greater access has also given people incredible control over what kind of information they encounter. Most people will only immerse themselves in information that confirms what they already believe.

Besides, the problem has never been the lack of information. Religion plays an important social function and it has a massive emotional component to it. You have to keep in mind that in the evolutionary history of ideas, religion has been the most successful idea by far. Simple facts and tidbits of information are unlikely to kill it at this point.

No if access to accurate information alone would actually persuade people to change their mind about things, we would all basically be ultra liberals by now. The fact that we aren't and that indeed in some parts of the world the word liberal is used an insult and a swear word shows us how much we care about information. Hell, even on S@H there are quite a few members who act hostile towards intellectuals, feel even threatened by intellectuals and who gladly make anti-intellectual arguments in discussions. Being well informed is not much of an advantage in life.

Also, why are Atheists curiously absent from the prison population? Is it because Atheists are good people? No, not at all. It probably has a lot more to do that they are predominantly part of the upper middle class and white. Who needs God when you are already in an advantaged position?

It makes sense to me that a lot of the prison population is religious. I would think they're desperately looking for something to cling onto for comfort and hope.

A lot of people actually find religion when they go to prison as a way of getting though and trying to turn themselves around.

Interesting ...
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/17/2166481/study-throwing-kids-in-jail-makes-crime-worse-ruins-lives/

Mass incarceration of American youth is actually making the country’s crime problem worse, according to a new study of Chicago youth incarceration.

The study, conducted by Anna Aizer of Brown University and Joseph Doyle, Jr. of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, examined roughly 35,000 former Chicago public school students who had now grown up. Aizer and Doyle picked Chicago because its random judge assignment system for juvenile cases allowed them to develop a way of studying truly random (and hence representative) samples of juvenile offenders by identifying judges more likely to hand down harsher sentences.

Well all you have to do now is find the link between finding jesus and re-offending.

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Being well informed is not much of an advantage in life.

Oh it is around here!!! How many times do people say evidence, give me evidence for your point of view. If you are not well informed you can't do that.

In my experience, even if you provide evidence for your point of view it hardly ever happens that it actually convinces someone. Besides, it has also opened me up to accusations of being to 'theoretical', 'bureaucratic' and that I 'lack real life experience'. Half of the stuff I say gets dismissed out of hand with blatantly anti intellectual arguments.

And out in the 'real world' what will my intelligence get me? A job? No not really, there won't be an employer in the world that will offer me a job because I have an high IQ or because I know so many little facts. Intelligence and theoretical knowledge by itself doesn't get you work, experience and practically applicable skills do.

Thats not to say that intelligence is completely useless or anything, its a nice basis and it does help in certain aspects of life. But its not really a determinant of success.

Do you actually believe that the chemical complexities that enable us to survive and think and breath happened by chance out of the primordial muck?
It makes sense to me, prove that it didn't.

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Being well informed is not much of an advantage in life.

Oh it is around here!!! How many times do people say evidence, give me evidence for your point of view. If you are not well informed you can't do that.

In my experience, even if you provide evidence for your point of view it hardly ever happens that it actually convinces someone. Besides, it has also opened me up to accusations of being to 'theoretical', 'bureaucratic' and that I 'lack real life experience'. Half of the stuff I say gets dismissed out of hand with blatantly anti intellectual arguments.

And out in the 'real world' what will my intelligence get me? A job? No not really, there won't be an employer in the world that will offer me a job because I have an high IQ or because I know so many little facts. Intelligence and theoretical knowledge by itself doesn't get you work, experience and practically applicable skills do.

Thats not to say that intelligence is completely useless or anything, its a nice basis and it does help in certain aspects of life. But its not really a determinant of success.

It does however stop you sounding like an idiot. It is true that ignorance is bliss and knowing stuff will absolutely not make you happier. Being smart will also make you more prone to depression and can make it difficult to find suitable life partners (more of a problem if you are female tbh). Still, the world would actually be a far better place if people knew what they were talking about before they made decisions that can effect other people and world we live in.

If you are looking for respect on an internet forum though, you probably need to reassess your priorities.

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Well all you have to do now is find the link between finding jesus and re-offending.

Or offending the first time. Since we already established that prisons aren't full of atheists and agnostics, a link between organized religion and prison seems to be suggested. Up to those religious promoters to disprove. That may be hard as I suspect there is a link between poverty and religion and a link between poverty and prison. A study easily could then show a link between religion and prison in that case.

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