The existence of god is a logical impossibility.

I offer you quantum mechanics as counter point to your statement.

Game, set and match.

If God, then the universe would be determinate as he would control everything, ergo no heisenberg uncertainty principle.

Game, set and match.

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The existence of god is a logical impossibility.

I offer you quantum mechanics as counter point to your statement.

Game, set and match.

Thinking about what the ancient Greeks used to call 'quintessence'.. Good point!

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If God, then the universe would be determinate as he would control everything, ergo no heisenberg uncertainty principle.

If God, then he could float through the air on account of being all powerful, ergo no law of gravity?

I respect other people's opinions as long as those opinions respect other opinions. It is all about respect for me.

I do not respect insanity and organised crime. I also fail to understand, why Julie respects pervert things like this: Retired bishop says Vatican failed sex abuse victims.

I believe that would be a failure of the institution, not the religion.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

I do not respect insanity and organised crime. I also fail to understand, why Julie respects pervert things like this: Retired bishop says Vatican failed sex abuse victims.

Thats clergymen not religion.

My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.

If God, then the universe would be determinate as he would control everything, ergo no heisenberg uncertainty principle.

If God, then he could float through the air on account of being all powerful, ergo no law of gravity?

So he needs air to float? Does he require a body? Does that body displace the air he needs to float?

Does his power include the ability to revoke his power such that he can't get it back?

All powerful = square root of negative one.

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See I told you, politics....

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I respect other people's opinions as long as those opinions respect other opinions. It is all about respect for me.

I do not respect insanity and organised crime. I also fail to understand, why Julie respects pervert things like this: Retired bishop says Vatican failed sex abuse victims.

Quoting my post:

Why should anybody respect debilities, mental disorders and deceptions? Do you respect cancer, fraud, sexual abuse?


I respect other people's opinions as long as those opinions respect other opinions. It is all about respect for me.

How anyone can respect the above underlined is something I wonder myself.

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See I told you, politics....

Sigh..

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Please try to express viewpoints peacefully. There's no reason to get upset and angry just because someone doesn't share your perspective. Everybody can point out flaws in the thinking, and why, but it can be done without trying to punch somebody in the nose, which is how it feels when I read some of these posts.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

See I told you, politics....

But but but but

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As far as I happen to know, there is as usual a given or stated fact that science is best being carried out without any relation to the notion or subject of religion, including the same when it comes to the possible existence of a God.

For this to be true, we should at least not mix or combine the science of Seti@home with religion, but rather keep these two subjects separate.

But the fact is that religion is usually being practised by means of specific taughts and that religion and politics often are supposed to go hand in hand.

Many people unfortunately do associate religion with the negative aspect rather than the positive. We should be well aware about all those people who chose to run away from home because they were enforced a belief which did not match their own, but rather contradicted their own beliefs.

When speaking about Politics, it soon becomes a subject of History as well.

We are supposed to believe in a God, because his son, Jesus Christ was left hanging by means of crucifixion by the Romans.

Our current understanding of science does not necessarily give a better explanation of God than something else, including religion. Because of that, what we are being able to observe when studying nature is by means of doing such a thing in a scientific way, because we may think that doing it in such a way either makes any explanations more specific, or at least that certain things might be better explained when looking at them in a such matter.

There may be instances where supposedly miracles may think us believe in the existence of a God. When such a thing is happening, you may not necessarily or always be doing science on such a thing either, possibly because it is not relevant, or perhaps because you know that doing such a thing is not something which is supposed to be of any value.

Edit: Reading through this thread, our current notion about God right now is by means of religion itself.

Whether some miracles are known to be happening at times, or even we may be able to have an understanding about both microcosmos and macrocosmos, such a given knowledge alone does not give a better explanation about the subject of God, or whether or not such an existence might be true.

To some people, the subject of spritituality is about the mind, or perhaps the "essence" of things, as possibly mentioned. It is not necessarily about creativity, because this soon becomes related to the material way of things.

Right, Julie. But please explain this:

Not if you open up to the answers God provides. Hence He becomes logically possible for you yourself And you receive all the wisdom and help you need. (and that's enough in my eyes)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78077&postid=1720505

Which God? As said, tell the ghost to show up. In my eyes, all delusions without proof are nothing or worse, and I do not accept that in a civilised society, we should pay any attention to any primitive superstition.

I do not like the word 'spirituality' but I do believe in a spiritual world. I do believe communication through the mind is perfectly possible.

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Don't worry about too much. I ask:
"How could any one know you,
and not know spirituality?"
Keep looking, I trust at the
end you will truly find you,
and your place in all of it!

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In my eyes, all delusions without proof are nothing or worse, and I do not accept that in a civilised society, we should pay any attention to any primitive superstition.

What? All science begins with an idea that eventually can make a theory.
The hard thing is to make the theory a law.
The Standard Model of the universe is a theory.
Should that theory be abolished because scientists cant prove it?

Why should anybody respect debilities, mental disorders and deceptions? Do you respect cancer, fraud, sexual abuse?

I respect debilities and mental disorders because usually it is not the fault of the person having them.

I DO NOT RESPECT YOU!

& here was I thinking we would have a lovely 72 hours of peaceful communication.

I have my own beliefs but "The 7 Deadly Sins" really do come to mind on threads like this.

Ah well, C'est La Vie :-(

So he needs air to float? Does he require a body? Does that body displace the air he needs to float?

I said 'float through' air not on air or because of air. Does he require a body? If he so chooses. Does it displace air? Again if he so chooses.

Does his power include the ability to revoke his power such that he can't get it back?

Paradoxes such as those do not apply to God. The concept of God is beyond human comprehension.

All powerful = square root of negative one.

Sure.

The Devil's Purpose. Part of an interesting youtube series in progress.

By the way, Umpteenth Snark, I chose to once again make a reference to this particular event, because to those people who may believe in religion, this thing which actually may have happened, is supposed to be the way in which we are supposed to believe in the existence of God.

Whether or not such an existence might be explained by means of carrying out science on the same or similar thing, is perhaps something else.

The fact is that whether or not we happen to know everything when it comes to both elemetary particles related to physics as well as objects making up the cosmos, we are not necessarily supposed to "believe" in order to understand the inner-workings of both these worlds as well as their possible interaction.

Even those things which are possibly related to the spiritual, or even miracles for that matter, do not always or necessarily explain our current notion of God either.

In the same way, are we supposed to always be taking the universe for granted in the way it is supposed to be working? Is our current knowledge about gravity as well as our notion of time the only way in which everything we might think could exist, including the possible presence of God, could be explained?

Whether or not mathematics and physics are telling us that given or specific things might happen to be there for a specific purpose in mind, including the existence of both intelligence as well as life, we still are taking certain things for granted and therefore assume such things to be the way in which they are supposed to be.

In fact, scientists most likely agree that our world is about creation as well as destruction and that certain events as they are happening are due to the fact of the existence of specific or certain laws of nature as we are able to observe nature by means of these same physical laws.

This again means laws to which some may think are the result of the possible existence of God, but to which others rather may think of is the result of coincidence and randomness, which again happen to be phenomena which better could be explained by means of the subject of mathematics.

Quoting again:)

Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what He's doin'
He wrote this book here
An? the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,"
So...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(an' maybe even a little ugly on the side)

I still belive too many belive in clergymen rather than religion.
That goes for all religions.