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Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
Yesterday the Voting Rights Act of 1965 turned 50 years old, and the fight continues. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/voting-rights-act-50-years_55c12a20e4b05c05b01f6a0c?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black%2BVoices§ion=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular From the days of the old Jim Crow laws (poll taxes) to today's James Crow (Esq.) voter ID laws (new poll taxes) the fight continues to keep the constitutional rights for voting on an even keel. Earlier this week the Federal Appeals Court in Texas struck down their Voter ID law as unconstitutional, and today the good fight continues in North Carolina. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/10/north-carolina-voting-trial_n_7754876.html I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Smoke me a kipper Send message Joined: 28 Apr 01 Posts: 122 Credit: 270,914 RAC: 0 |
Yesterday the Voting Rights Act of 1965 turned 50 years old, and the fight continues. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/voting-rights-act-50-years_55c12a20e4b05c05b01f6a0c?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black%2BVoices§ion=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular From the days of the old Jim Crow laws (poll taxes) to today's James Crow (Esq.) voter ID laws (new poll taxes) the fight continues to keep the constitutional rights for voting on an even keel. Happy 50th :) So many sacricificed and too much suffering to let such a landmark Act get eroded. When it was a**sed up in 2013, I remember being impressed by the quote reproduced below (from your first link). Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg... In her dissent... argued that the conservative justices were stripping from the Voting Rights Act the very mechanism that had made it such a success. To expose so much idiocy with an umbrella analogy? Genius! :) Good news from Texas then and all eyes on North Carolina... We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Apart from pain. And maybe humiliation. And obviously death. And failure. But apart from fear, pain and humiliation, failure and the unknown and death - we have nothing to fear. Who’s with me? |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Yesterday the Voting Rights Act of 1965 turned 50 years old, and the fight continues. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/voting-rights-act-50-years_55c12a20e4b05c05b01f6a0c?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black%2BVoices§ion=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular From the days of the old Jim Crow laws (poll taxes) to today's James Crow (Esq.) voter ID laws (new poll taxes) the fight continues to keep the constitutional rights for voting on an even keel. Uhh... no it didn't.
http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/Veasey%20v%20Abbott%205th%20Circuit%20opinion.pdf The Fifth Circuit:
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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
I see some people have trouble understanding why such voter ID laws are racist and discriminatory. So here are some useful links to help you understand. 12 reasons why Texas voter ID law is racist How racism underlies the voter id laws: academics weigh in An interesting graph to consider Of course there was also that time when a Republican openly admitted that voter ID laws are designed to keep democratic voters away during elections (cuz surprise, poor people and African Americans tend to vote more often for the Democratic party). Now what is worse, setting up laws that hurt minorities because you are a racist, or setting up laws to hurt minorities because they vote for your opponent? Republicans whine a lot about tyranny by the government, but as it stands, they come closer to actual tyrants than the Democrats. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I see some people have trouble understanding why such voter ID laws are racist and discriminatory. So here are some useful links to help you understand. This is nonsense. 4. Texas officials have not informed the public about the new law.Not true! The voting laws requiring photo IDs inherently racially discriminatory, as Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg maintained in her blistering dissent Saturday morning? One Chart Shows the Depressingly Racist Truth About Voter ID Laws You Tried to Ignore Lies, damned lies, and statistics:) A major problem in today's US election is the low turnout. There are many reasons why American voters do not vote. One reason could be that you have to take time off work and get salary reductions. - It is problematic that the leader of the world's most powerful country and democracy sitting on such a weak popular mandate, writes Anders Hellner, US expert at the Institute of International Affairs. Just under 50 percent of eligible voters choosing who should become the country's president and vice president for the next four years. Compared to Sweden, where politicians prey on us and it is a duty to vote, do not worry in the same way in the United States. Some examples: When Ronald Reagan was re-elected in "a landslide cool" in 1984, he did so with 32 percent of the votes. Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 with only 22 percent. Voter turnout in the US has fallen rather than risen in recent elections. Today only 59 % turn up on election day. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30758 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
A major problem in today's US election is the low turnout. Look at the quality of the scum that run, look at how much cash is spent on attack ads, there is the answer for the turnout! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
A major problem in today's US election is the low turnout. Calling them scum is perpaps an exaggeration. But that you need money to run for office is true. A LOT of money. But you can vote and don't let them in. Quite simple really... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
so why should it be such a big deal to ask our citizens to show their Identification Card when they show up to vote? Not showing a ID card when voting is.... It doesnt work in a democracy. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30758 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Well let me start by first saying that I don't think we should allow just anyone who shows up at the polls to vote. I think we need to use at least some form (of) discrimination in who we allow to vote. Without some rudimentary form of discrimination, we are allowing ourselves to be voted into failure at an accelerating rate. Yes, and that identification card must state on its face that you are white, male, conservative, christian, literate, have the required IQ and paid your poll tax. We do understand your thinking. Of course we reject it. |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
so why should it be such a big deal to ask our citizens to show their Identification Card when they show up to vote? You are required to show some form of acknowledged documentation when you register to vote, normally this included a drivers license, birth certificate, etc.. The procedure at the time of voting is different depending upon which state you reside in. In Pennsylvania, you give the volunteers at the voting site your name and they look it up in a book that also has your address and signature, which you used when you registered. You sign the book and signatures are compared. This has been the general way of voting for local, state, and federal elections since before I was born, and I turn 70 this year, for white people and those minorities that did not live in those locals, mainly in the South but other locations also, where a poll tax was applied under the old Jim Crow laws. Those poll taxes included things like how many marbles were in a glass jar, any idiotic thing that the White Citizens committees could come up with that would prevent minorities from voting. There was at one time in N.C. a requirement that you has to recite the preamble of the Constitution. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 did away with all of that nonsense, and minorities were allowed to present the same type of documentation and follow the same rules at voting time as white people. Everything was alright until 2008 and Senator Barack Hussein Obama, when the number of minorities, especially African-Americans, voting -- sky rocketed. All of a sudden you hear the Tea/Republican party screaming as loud as they could about voter fraud. They screamed and cried all the way to the conservative Supreme Court, where they used the asinine theory that because the country had voted in an African-American president that Section V. of the Voting Rights Act, which BTW was the strongest part of the Act, was no longer needed. With Section V. now history, and the asinine theory of in-person voter fraud being screamed loud and long, we now have the new James E. Crow (Esq.) Voter ID laws. With pre-clearance out of the way, in less than 24 hours, you now have those states that had to pre-clear any changes to voter requirements, passing these new Voter ID laws, which is nothing but new poll taxes. Not only was there an increase in voter ID requirements, some of which were and still are impossible to obtain in a reasonable amount of time for most low-income people regardless of race. Along with these new requirements, we also see things like early voting, same day registration, etc. either cut down to the bare minimums or removed entirely. One of the most popular, was/is 'Souls To The Polls", where after Sunday services, car, van, bus load of African-Americans went to the polls to vote, was/is effectively eviscerated. Some states have stopped this practice. In Texas for instance, a gun license is valid, but some types of what was normal identification is no longer valid, including Student photo IDs from colleges & universities. Now does that make any normal sense? All of this to effectively shut down the minority vote, again mainly in the south. Remember that most of the minority votes Democratic, so that also decreases the number of Democratic votes. There has never been any sign of the type of massive in-person voter fraud that the Tea/Republican party has professed, in fact the number is so low that it's hardly noticeable. But, if you scream a lie loud and long enough, and have a semi logical reasoning behind it, people will tend to believe it. To answer the above quote, I have a question for you -- Why after all these many years of what has been established VOTER IDs, do we all of a sudden need new additional IDs simply because an African-American was voted into the highest office of this country not once, but twice, with not only the largest minority turn out but also lest I forget the largest WHITE WOMAN turnout in history of this country. Why, please explain it so that this simple old retired black man can understand - WHY? I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11366 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Why, please explain it so that this simple old retired black man can understand - WHY? Cliff you understand and don't pretend you don't. The answer is a self serving desire to keep the status quo. If you black people voted for conservative Rs those things would not be happening, you brought it upon yourselves. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Here in Scandinavia the IRS keeps track of our citizens. ID is not a requirement to pay tax. Yes you need an ID card when voting but then again you need that card to survive... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11366 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Yes you need an ID card when voting but then again you need that card to survive... Jann I suspect that in your country the purpose is not to disenfranchise a segment of the citizens. It is not that way here in parts of my country. |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
Why, please explain it so that this simple old retired black man can understand - WHY? The sad thing is that when the Tea/Republican was truly the party of Lincoln, many African-Americans voted for that party, especially in the south. It was during the 1950-60s when the Civil Rights era was beginning and the southern conservative democrats (Dixicrats) and their three cousins (Klu, Klux, & Klan), along with the White Citizens Committees started to lose their power over minorities, they couldn't handle the changes and they simply lost their ever loving minds. When they found that like minded folks in the old Republican party would accept them, they switched parties like stampede going over a cliff and the Tea/Republican party sucked them up like a vacuum cleaner. When the voting public saw what was happening, the parity alignment of the two parties shifted a compete 180 degrees. Even though there are progressives & conservatives in both parties, the greater number of progressives are now Democratic and the same with the conservatives in the Tea/Republican party. You said we brought it upon ourselves, you have a very strong point. And, I say regardless of what your personal leanings are, be they progressive and/or conservative, fiscal or/and social, why stick with a political party that will deny you the right to vote and if they had their way the right to exist at all as citizens. I realize that there are some African-American conservatives that are in the Tea/Republican party, but I really can't for the life of me see why they remain. One of the most prominent ones that I can think of is Dr. Ben Carson, who graduated from one of the most highly ranked medical schools, is running for president, and thinks that #blacklivesmatter is silly and divisive. Oh, and don't forget what's-his-face in the Supreme Court, who got where he is through affirmative action, and thinks that affirmative action was a bad idea and should be abolished. I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
You are required to show some form of acknowledged documentation when you register to vote, normally this included a drivers license, birth certificate, etc.. The procedure at the time of voting is different depending upon which state you reside in. In Pennsylvania, you give the volunteers at the voting site your name and they look it up in a book that also has your address and signature, which you used when you registered. You sign the book and signatures are compared. This has been the general way of voting for local, state, and federal elections since before I was born, and I turn 70 this year. Im 63 and thats how it has been In my part of New York State. Exactly the same. Now I live in a small town. When the wife and I vote the election poll guardians are what ever they are called. All know us. But they still ask our names we sign the book and they check the signature and then hand us the electronic form nowdays to fill out. What happens in the big cities? Probally more of the same thing. Maybe we need the blue ink on the thumb like in Afghanistan. [/quote] Old James |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
First here is a nice piece in the New Yorker about the myth of voter fraud. There has never been any sign of the type of massive in-person voter fraud that the Tea/Republican party has professed, in fact the number is so low that it's hardly noticeable. But, if you scream a lie loud and long enough, and have a semi logical reasoning behind it, people will tend to believe it. To answer the above quote, I have a question for you -- Why after all these many years of what has been established VOTER IDs, do we all of a sudden need new additional IDs simply because an African-American was voted into the highest office of this country not once, but twice, with not only the largest minority turn out but also lest I forget the largest WHITE WOMAN turnout in history of this country. Why, please explain it so that this simple old retired black man can understand - WHY? Indeed, and the most ironic part is that the irregularities at voting booths that do happen are generally caused by...you guessed it, the Tea Party. Here is another link with some interesting stories about how the Tea Party is trying to overthrow the American democracy. Of course, that stuff gets under reported. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Kong There's that silly document again getting in the way of stopping voter Fraud . Nice no know a super power is so open to voter Fraud. But it's ok to have a photo car licence ?? to drive ....... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Yes you need an ID card when voting but then again you need that card to survive... Strange... But why do so few Americans vote? Btw I have applied for a US Green Card. No ID was required to get it. Only 2 photos of me. Complete your application And they actually phoned me from Houston Texas to remind me about the photos:) |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
Kong In what universe do you live in where there is the massive out right in-person voter fraud that you speak of? IT'S A MYTH!! You might find this very interesting - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/. As far as a driver's license is concerned, it is a privilege, while voting is a constitutional right, that people had died for, both black and white. We have a sitting ranking member of Congress, Rep. John Lewis, who was almost beaten to death and was left on the side of the road to die from his wounds by the white police at the Edmund Pettus bridge in Selma, Alabama in what is know as Bloody Sunday, to get that constitutional right. Even though the Act affects all people, it was primarily to allow the black community to register and vote on a even keel in all elections. The African-American community is the only community in this country that has to ask/beg/petition Congress to reaffirm the legality of the Voting Right Act, which they have done each and every time that its' renewal has come up in a very bipartisan way, until this time when the Tea/Republican party is attempting to derail it. It should be made permanent so that we don't have to go through this year-after-year. Strange... One of the main reasons that there has always been a low voter turnout is that many Americans think that their vote doesn't count. When Sen. Barack Hussein Obama starting running in for president in 2006/07, we saw as what might have been a beginning of a new day, not only for the country, but especially for the African-American community. The Tea/Republican party blamed the massive African-American turnout, simply because of race, (they may have had a very small point); and immediately began discounting the exit polls. They even attempted to overlook the large number of whites that voted for him, especially white women. Check out the graphs at the bottom to see how the African-American community voted - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/50-years-after-the-voting-rights-act-heres-how-far-we-still-have-to-go_55c30663e4b0f1cbf1e3c01b?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular. Watching clips from Faux News on their reaction to both of his elections was like, excuse my expression, like having an or*&&%$sm. Unfortunately, our worst fears came true. The Tea/Republican party would stand in his way and attempt to block everything he fought accomplish. To give you the most recent example, I give you the Nuclear Arms Deal with the Republic of Iran. I don't have to go into the details as how the Tea/republicanthey are abundantly clear, and the ads against the deal, before anyone in Congress even saw the deal was/is massive. But, then you have 29 of the most respected scientists in the country who are for the deal. - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/world/29-us-scientists-praise-iran-nuclear-deal-in-letter-to-obama.html?_r=0. I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
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