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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
And costly, too. This is just so outragiously wrong that it has me seething. Let them eat cake. Hope they choke on it. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Can't speak for other countries, but... 'The Reaction', when it comes, is going to be even more hard and swift than the muslims are trying to impose now. I am talking biblical in proportions. We have had about enough of trash talking about Christ. It is not gonna stand, and we are about to have it out with the Muslims and about every other creed, race, and nation on the planet. We are done dealing. Christ is King. He always has been. He died on the cross so YOU can be free of sin. And for myself, I am quite done apologizing. I have atoned for my sins. The sins of my father. The sins of my brothers. The sins of my unborn child......yes, I have one. I am done dealing. Jesus of Nazareth has dealt me a new life, and I intend to use it to it's fullest, even if I fail. And none of you, hard as you may try, may take that from my grip. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And costly, too. http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.400 and http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.403 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV§ionNum=51. Guess if you intend on preaching your Christianity outside the church and forcing others to partake, it will cost you. But I suppose Mark, you would have no objection to a Muslim forcing you to obey his Sharia law outside his mosque, say on your lawn. Because Mark, that is what you are asking for. Is it me, or is it just in the south where they don't adopt law preventing a business from discriminating, because they would love to go back to separate but unequal so they can have a "whites only" sign? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Please refrain, in an Intelligent Discussion (if possible), using the canard of Anti-Free Speech, by mentioning 'Yelling Fire in a Movie Theater'. Well said, though the only person so far to raise that point is, umm, you. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Can't speak for other countries, but... I'm curious what you would say if that headline read 'Christian bakery fined for refusing to bake cake for an interracial couple - claims that interracial marriages go against their religion'. And before you question the likelihood of such a thing, do remember that much of the racism was backed by religious arguments. Slavery was supported with religious arguments, so it really won't be that hard to find some bigots that think interracial marriages are awful on religious grounds. Would that still be religious freedom? Then what about a business refusing to serve Jews, Atheists, Muslims and Catholics because those are all heathens? Still religious freedom? What you are defending is not religious freedom, you are defending the freedom to be a hateful bigot. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I am 99.44% certain I am most responsible, on the S@H fora, for working to guarantee the freedom of the Religious (Christian, Mulsim, Buddhist, etc. ...) and Atheist to speak here. (May we call upon, as witnesses, Jeffrey, Chuck etc. ... ?) What we have in this thread is a threat from one person and an elitist misjudging name-caller also implying a threat. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Damned hard to be a Christian these days.......... Any harder than when Caesar ruled? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Please refrain, in an Intelligent Discussion (if possible), using the canard of Anti-Free Speech, by mentioning 'Yelling Fire in a Movie Theater'. "The Left" and "Anti-Religiuous Bigotry" appear to be two terms you use frequently, however as I don't yet understand what you mean by either, it would be foolhardy for me to provide a "take" on them. Perhaps if you were to start a thread on the subjects ... I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13131 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
I would strongly suspect that the BUSINESS license held by the owners of this bakery prohibits discrimination when it comes to serving the public. The bakery owners appear to have practiced discrimination and they are now paying the penalty for violating the terms of their BUSINESS license. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I would strongly suspect that the BUSINESS license held by the owners of this bakery prohibits discrimination when it comes to serving the public. The bakery owners appear to have practiced discrimination and they are now paying the penalty for violating the terms of their BUSINESS license. Not their business license but Oregon State Civil Code http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.403 wrote: § 659A.403¹ Then there is California's http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV§ionNum=51. wrote: Civil Code - CIV Unfortunately bigots are ingenious and continue to find new ways to express their bigotry so the law has to get longer to cover these newly made up methods. |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Welcome to yet another thread, Gollum. ;) Or, since you change your screen name so often, would you prefer "Smeagol"? "Former possessor of the Precious"? |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13131 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
...Don't PISS OFF Da Left.... My dear troll, please know that we lefties staunchly defend your right to stand up and vomit whatever hateful speech you should happen to spew forth from that orifice you call mouth. In fact, I have a current ACLU card to prove it. You're welcome. Just know that we reserve the right to challenge you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of good taste and we reserve the right to prosecute you when your hate exceeds the boundaries of civil liberty. I have a current Southern Poverty Law Center membership and a current Americans United For Separation of Church and State membership to prove that too. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
...Don't PISS OFF Da Left.... +1! " They can't even tell who is "left" vs. independent. So=called "anti-capitalist" cannot be entirely "right", either. |
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Dung who was was once a worm, the fact is regardless of your religion our country does not allow you to write your own laws. If you advocate that rather than being the conservative troll as you claim to be you are an anarchist. You have a big disconnect in logic. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
...Don't PISS OFF Da Left.... Examines wallet to see if a pickpocket has been at work. No cards are still there. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Thank You, Defender of My Liberty. I Know Your Cards and Memberships are Protecting Me As I Vomit. Don't worry, if we work to take away his liberties, instead ... the false flag Clyde raises ... he'll be vomiting then as well. Can't win. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
They provide a public good in that it gives others clear warning signs of what to be on the lookout for and avoid in their own behavior. Yes |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
I we speaking of Small, Family Run Businesses? How is the size of the business relevant? This is about the religious freedom of the people that own the business/run the business. So, can they ban Muslims or Jews or people with religious convictions other than their own from doing business with them because religious freedom somehow means that you can discriminate against people with different religious beliefs. Or doesn't that actually make sense and religious freedom doesn't mean you can use your religion as an excuse to discriminate? And I think so far homosexuals and Muslims react in a pretty similar way to bigots refusing to do business with them. They go to their nearest civil rights group, get a lawyer and sue the business into oblivion, while going to the media to publicly shame the business owners for being the bigots that they are. As for Christianphobia, I don't think you understand what the word means. It literally means 'fear of Christians'. How is this an example of fear of Christians? At what part am I afraid and at what part is that fear specifically aimed at Christians? All I'm saying is that I don't want businesses to use religion as an excuse to discriminate against people. In this case it are Christian business owners that are doing the discriminating and not Muslim or Jewish business owners. |
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