Seems math is not your strongest subject....

What math?

Waite for when the UK holds it's referendum then we'll go through the math,
not complicated, just very simple and straight forwards.

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belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Seems math is not your strongest subject....

What math?

Waite for when the UK holds it's referendum then we'll go through the math,
not complicated, just very simple and straight forwards.

Are you talking about the upcoming referendum about being part of the EU?
Great Britain are very much depended to the European countries.
Member or not. Europe will be a much worser Place to live in if Great Britain choose to play it's own game...
Bye Little Britian.

Seems math is not your strongest subject....

What math?

Waite for when the UK holds it's referendum then we'll go through the math,
not complicated, just very simple and straight forwards.

Are you talking about the upcoming referendum about being part of the EU?
Great Britain are very much depended to the European countries.
Member or not. Europe will be a much worser Place to live in if Great Britain choose to play it's own game...
Bye Little Britian.

We held our own for many a year without the assistance of Europe. Throughout all that time Europe hated us - ask yourself why that was?

We held our own for many a year without the assistance of Europe. Throughout all that time Europe hated us - ask yourself why that was?

What?
Not the Nordic countries. I can tell you that:)
Many Swedes lurking around in Great Britain.
My sister and nephew for instance:)
I was talking to her yesterday...

We held our own for many a year without the assistance of Europe. Throughout all that time Europe hated us - ask yourself why that was?

What?
Not the Nordic countries. I can tell you that:)

So you agree then - we managed quite nicely without them. As for your reply above - Really? After stating "Bye Little Britain?"

ROFLMAO.

We held our own for many a year without the assistance of Europe. Throughout all that time Europe hated us - ask yourself why that was?

What?
Not the Nordic countries. I can tell you that:)

So you agree then - we managed quite nicely without them. As for your reply above - Really? After stating "Bye Little Britain?"

ROFLMAO.

I was thinking of the BBC Comedy show called Little Britain:)

Fair enough but a :-) in the right place...

...otherwise...

Next Prime Minister Betting Odds.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

I don't think anyone in the UK would quibble at having 500 refugees for humanitarian purposes even if they did stay permanetly. What we do quiblle about is 10's of thousands of economic migrants that just want to enjoy our better way of life rather than try to change their own country for the better. That is a different kettle of fish entirely.

That's what it's all about...self help, and very little going on inside
many of these immigrants home countries.

I have no objections to the ones who come here to work, pay their taxes, and generally contribute to society.
The benefits and health tourists however, that's the different kettle of fish.
I freely admit that most of them are normal law-abiding people who should be allowed to stay, it's that small fraction that cause trouble who should be kept out.

Without the foreign students coming in i'm not sure this university could afford to stay open.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

500 refugees to the UK?

Asylum seekers in Europe 2014.
UK 32,000
Sweden 81,000
Netherlands 25,000
https://twitter.com/AFPgraphics/status/598042072000565249/photo/1

EU on Wednesday announced plans to relocate 24,000 refugees from Italy to other European countries, part of wider plans to ease the migration burden currently weighing heavily on Mediterranean countries.
http://www.thelocal.it/20150527/relocate-24000-refugees-from-italy-eu
Despite the high number of migrants arriving on Italian shores - up to 200,000 this year by government estimates - Rome has been asked to take in 1,989 people under the resettlement programme.

Where should all refugees go? Greenland?

500 refugees to the UK?

Asylum seekers in Europe 2014.
UK 32,000
Sweden 81,000
Netherlands 25,000
https://twitter.com/AFPgraphics/status/598042072000565249/photo/1

EU on Wednesday announced plans to relocate 24,000 refugees from Italy to other European countries, part of wider plans to ease the migration burden currently weighing heavily on Mediterranean countries.
http://www.thelocal.it/20150527/relocate-24000-refugees-from-italy-eu

Where should all refugees go? Greenland?

There is a difference between 'asylum seekers' and 'refugees'. An asylum seeker is someone who seeks refugee status, those refugees that are being talked about relocating are people who already have refugee status.

There is a difference between 'asylum seekers' and 'refugees'. An asylum seeker is someone who seeks refugee status, those refugees that are being talked about relocating are people who already have refugee status.

Maybe so. But we are going to see many more refugees seeking a place in Europe in future.

Maybe so. But we are going to see many more refugees seeking a place in Europe in future.

Seeking one doesn't mean they get one. Furthermore, the EU in general only gets a tiny percentage of the total amount of refugees or asylum seekers that are moving around in the world.

Maybe so. But we are going to see many more refugees seeking a place in Europe in future.

Seeking one doesn't mean they get one. Furthermore, the EU in general only gets a tiny percentage of the total amount of refugees or asylum seekers that are moving around in the world.

EU Eurostat has done this.
Migration and migrant population statistics.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics
Many surprising facts. For instance.
On 1 January 2013 the foreign population of the EU-27 was 20.4 million while the foreign-born population was 33.5 million...

Luxembourg has the highest share non-nationals in the resident population:)

Government uses Queen’s speech to advance jail plans for social workers

Can anyone else see the natural consequences of criminalising those overworked social workers if they don't act on every report of child abuse? Say good bye to your kids people. That time our malicious neighbour called social services and reported my flat as a crack den triggering a Boxing day visit from social services? Instead of them looking around and realising the women was totally wrong, my 3 year old son would have been spending the night in care at the very least.

This is the thing I most hate about the English way of doing things. Cut taxes and underfund essential services, and then criminalise the people trying to do their best to make it work.

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Government uses Queen’s speech to advance jail plans for social workers

Can anyone else see the natural consequences of criminalising those overworked social workers if they don't act on every report of child abuse? Say good bye to your kids people. That time our malicious neighbour called social services and reported my flat as a crack den triggering a Boxing day visit from social services? Instead of them looking around and realising the women was totally wrong, my 3 year old son would have been spending the night in care at the very least.

This is the thing I most hate about the English way of doing things. Cut taxes and underfund essential services, and then criminalise the people trying to do their best to make it work.

I agree. It'll just make the few social workers left even more paranoid, and then they'll get criticised for being too over-zealous.
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

Note to self, don't have kids.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Cut taxes and underfund essential services, and then criminalise the people trying to do their best to make it work.

Oh, adopting the American way of life ... except you haven't mentioned that the savings are going into a slush fund. ;-)

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Many thanks to Sirius for drawing our attention to Direct train to Europe in the Cafe 'Train Thread'.

I've commented there about the fact that it's still only a direct train from London into Europe - there are no current plans to link any of the rest of the UK to Europe, even after HS2 has been completed in 18 years' time.

But look at the fine print of the new London-Marseille service.

If you're leaving the UK, you can go direct - all the way by train. But if you're visiting us from the continent, or returning home from a holiday or business trip, you have to get off the train at Lille (carrying all your luggage with you) and wait 75 minutes while everybody visits Passport Control and Customs.

WHAAAAT ??? !!!

The last time I saw that antedeluvian practice was a documentary about the cross-border service between Calcutta and Bangladesh. I'm sure they were able to check passports on board the train I took from Calais to Austria in 1970 - and that was long before Austria was even a member of the EU, let alone Schengen.

Doesn't it say a huge amount about the insularity, and fading-pink imperialism, of the British political classes. Or maybe that comment should be restricted to the English political classes.

I have to say that I cringe with shame every time every time I return to this country from a trip abroad - especially if it's been an intercontinental flight. The way we treat our fellow-residents of this planet is appalling, and I can only apologise to all visitors on behalf of all fair-minded Brits.

Which, since we're SETI, prompts a question: which country or region would it be best for ET to make first contact in, from the point of view of border-control paperwork (and not being slung immediately into jail). The UK rules itself out by requiring visitors to obtain a visa in advance from the consulate on their home planet or transit space-portal. And we can't afford to provide those...

So, who would be most welcoming and accommodating?

Doesn't it say a huge amount about the insularity, and fading-pink imperialism, of the British political classes. Or maybe that comment should be restricted to the English political classes.

From my experiences, no it should not. It's also down to a minority within the public sector as those people are the front face of the country in many areas.

Up until this incident occurred, my travelling was on school trips via ferry & had no issues on my return. Flew for the first time in 1979 & being a naïve traveller was unaware of immigration regulations. Arrived back at Heathrow & entered the "red" channel as I had gone slightly over my duty limits.

As soon as I produced my ID was told in no uncertain terms to FO to the "alien" channel. Found this embarrassing at the time as I did not expect that from an official.

14 months later, arriving at Heathrow, saw the same man on duty, so entered the alien channel. That caused a furore that I still enjoy to this day.

A lovely female official looking at me in wonder asked what I was doing there so told her what had happened previously & that the man in question was on duty & pointed him out to her.

I along with many comrades had just returned from the biggest military exercise in Germany since the end of WWII (Crusader 1980).

The sight of a British Army squaddie standing in the alien channel in full combats was hilarious. The official in question apologised as my CO got involved. I did not accept that apology for the simple reason, then as now public sector workers are there to serve - get out of bed on the wrong side that day? Stay at home.

Unfortunately, over the next 20 years, still saw "incidents" such as that as well as being involved in a few. They are not pleasant but I'm of the opinion, just accept it, get done & depart asap - makes for a stress free trip.

If you're leaving the UK, you can go direct - all the way by train. But if you're visiting us from the continent, or returning home from a holiday or business trip, you have to get off the train at Lille (carrying all your luggage with you) and wait 75 minutes while everybody visits Passport Control and Customs.
WHAAAAT ??? !!!

The technique to identify persons are now very simple.
Just put a RFID tag an every passport when its issued and use readers when we are crossing a border.
The computer system checks your identity and do cross references to other systems.
Those VERY few who are supicious are then asked to step aside...

It works with fishes so why not humans!

btw. The UK has not signed the Shengen Agreement.
But yesterday from now on the Nordic countries can go to the UK without a passport provided that you can prove with some other ID cards your nationalty:)