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Message 1679382 - Posted: 13 May 2015, 21:57:04 UTC - in response to Message 1679379.  

Of course, the EU has been negotiating certain partnerships with countries that would make it possible to return criminals to third countries.

Do you have some sources or links?
AFAIK it's up to every country to decide that, not the EU.
Police cooperate with other countries but they have to follow the law in every country.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=EPRS_BRI%282015%29554212

Nope, EU readmission agreements take precedent over national bilateral agreements with non EU countries.
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Message 1679387 - Posted: 13 May 2015, 22:09:00 UTC - in response to Message 1679382.  
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http://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=EPRS_BRI%282015%29554212
Nope, EU readmission agreements take precedent over national bilateral agreements with non EU countries.

But thats about refugees. Are refugees criminals?

EU Readmission Agreements: Facilitating the return of irregular migrants .
To much of that s**t already.
The best way is to send those thinker in a tank to for instance to Syria and Iraq and meet those people who are in need.

And the UK has a lot of space to let refugees in.
Period.
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Message 1679394 - Posted: 13 May 2015, 22:27:39 UTC - in response to Message 1679387.  

But thats about refugees. Are refugees criminals?

EU Readmission Agreements: Facilitating the return of irregular migrants .
To much of that s**t already.

No its about irregular migrants, aka people who are in the country without permission to stay in the country. While being an irregular migrant by itself is not a crime, if a migrant commits a crime and therefor gets his residence permit revoked, he or she becomes an irregular migrant.

Though it remains to be seen if the countries with whom the readmission agreements are signed will accept the EU dumping criminals on their territory just like that.
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Message 1679395 - Posted: 13 May 2015, 22:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 1679394.  
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But thats about refugees. Are refugees criminals?

EU Readmission Agreements: Facilitating the return of irregular migrants .
To much of that s**t already.

No its about irregular migrants, aka people who are in the country without permission to stay in the country. While being an irregular migrant by itself is not a crime, if a migrant commits a crime and therefor gets his residence permit revoked, he or she becomes an irregular migrant.

Though it remains to be seen if the countries with whom the readmission agreements are signed will accept the EU dumping criminals on their territory just like that.

Did you read your own link?
Boy do I have stories how Sweden treat "irregular migrants"
Facilating means that its more easy to get rid of unwanted immigrants.
Swedish example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery
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Message 1679398 - Posted: 13 May 2015, 22:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 1679395.  

Did you read your own link?
Boy do I have stories how Sweden treat "irregular migrants"
Facilating means that its more easy to get rid of unwanted immigrants.
Swedish example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery

Did you read my post, thats exactly what I said. This readmission agreement makes it easier to get rid of migrants who don't have proper permits to stay in a member states territory.
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Message 1679424 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 0:44:51 UTC

And the UK has a lot of space to let refugees in.
Period.


"Unperiod", no we don't, unless of course someone would like to live on the top of Ben Nevis....Period!!

Your theorem is fundamentally floored. Population per square mile in the UK
stands at 1,349. If you think that one square mile of land can produce enough
food to feed these 1,349 heads of population then I'd like to know what
farming methods you choose to adopt. Especially so if you think there's room
for more refugees to come in, just hope that if they do come they then bring
their own food with them....Period!!
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Message 1679464 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 3:41:33 UTC - in response to Message 1679424.  

And the UK has a lot of space to let refugees in.
Period.


"Unperiod", no we don't, unless of course someone would like to live on the top of Ben Nevis....Period!!

Your theorem is fundamentally floored. Population per square mile in the UK
stands at 1,349. If you think that one square mile of land can produce enough
food to feed these 1,349 heads of population then I'd like to know what
farming methods you choose to adopt. Especially so if you think there's room
for more refugees to come in, just hope that if they do come they then bring
their own food with them....Period!!


Ia that an average (arithmetic mean)?
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Message 1679482 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 5:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 1679424.  
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Especially so if you think there's room
for more refugees to come in, just hope that if they do come they then bring
their own food with them....Period!!

They don't have food to bring.
They dont even have room to travel.

2 BILLION more people by the year 2030 needs room to live.
Thats the 15 year future for the Earth.
Period.

Nigel Farange was late to a meeting once.
He blamed immigrant and said they blocked the roads!
Nice isn't it.

Britain 256 people/km²
Netherlands 404 people/km²

Are the Netherlands starving?
Do the immigrants block their roads?

And 25% percent of all food produced in the World are thrown away!!!!!!
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Message 1679509 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 7:24:00 UTC - in response to Message 1679424.  

And the UK has a lot of space to let refugees in.
Period.


"Unperiod", no we don't, unless of course someone would like to live on the top of Ben Nevis....Period!!

Your theorem is fundamentally floored. Population per square mile in the UK
stands at 1,349. If you think that one square mile of land can produce enough
food to feed these 1,349 heads of population then I'd like to know what
farming methods you choose to adopt. Especially so if you think there's room
for more refugees to come in, just hope that if they do come they then bring
their own food with them....Period!!

Since when is Britain pursuing a policy of food autarky? Right, its not, so food production is not much of an issue now is it.
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Message 1679535 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 10:29:09 UTC

List of English districts and their ethnic composition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_and_their_ethnic_composition
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Message 1679563 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 14:00:11 UTC - in response to Message 1679506.  

And the UK has a lot of space to let refugees in.
Period.


"Unperiod", no we don't, unless of course someone would like to live on the top of Ben Nevis....Period!!

Your theorem is fundamentally floored. Population per square mile in the UK
stands at 1,349. If you think that one square mile of land can produce enough
food to feed these 1,349 heads of population then I'd like to know what
farming methods you choose to adopt. Especially so if you think there's room
for more refugees to come in, just hope that if they do come they then bring
their own food with them....Period!!

Your figure is fundamentally flawed according to every world statistic site I have looked at - so perhaps you could provide your source. It is also dwarfed by the population density of the favoured destinations of Britain's tax "refugees".


Appears to be a wide range of figures regarding the population density for
the UK. 253 to 395 per square kilometre. UK population figures also seem to have a variation too, from 63 million to 67 million for 2015.
On the whole I think we can safely say that since the UK is twice as densely populated compared to Germany and three times more densely populated than France then time those two countries played catch-up with us.
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Message 1679565 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 14:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 1679563.  

Appears to be a wide range of figures regarding the population density for the UK. 253 to 395 per square kilometre. UK population figures also seem to have a variation too, from 63 million to 67 million for 2015.
On the whole I think we can safely say that since the UK is twice as densely populated compared to Germany and three times more densely populated than France then time those two countries played catch-up with us.

From Wikipedia

UK Population.
- 2014 estimate 64,511,000[3] (22nd)
- 2011 census 63,181,775[4] (22nd)
- Density 255.6/km2 (51st) 661.9/sq mi

Netherlands Population
- 2015 estimate 16,912,640[5] (63rd)
- Density 407/km2 (24th) 1,054.2/sq mi

Obesity is also problem that means that food got waisted...
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Message 1679567 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 14:18:14 UTC
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The future of the UK?

Hmmm, tricky - However, this happened on the Tories watch...

Chopped up for scrap

...I can hear the cogs moving in people's heads...

...what has that got to do with the election & future of the UK?

"Dynamic Mongoose" looking for subs

It has also highlighted a gaping hole in Britain's own defences.
There have been recent reports of Russian submarines off the coast of Sweden, Finland and the UK.

Britain no longer has any of its own maritime patrol aircraft and this exercise is a reminder of a significant gap in the UK's defences.

Several times over the past year Britain has had to call on its Nato allies to provide eyes in the sky when there have been reported Russian submarines in or near Britain's waters.

He says the lack of any maritime patrol aircraft, that used to be provided by the Nimrod, means a Russian submarine could sit off the UK and track the nuclear deterrent as it leaves Faslane naval base in Scotland.

Britain, he says, should be "exceptionally worried" that it is seen as a "soft touch", because Russia will continue to test its defences, just as they have by flying long range bombers near UK airspace."

Think the "Smug One" should act on this ASAP: -

"The lack of any UK maritime patrol aircraft will have to be addressed in the government's forthcoming defence and security review."

Modified for spelling :-)
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Message 1679569 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 14:26:46 UTC - in response to Message 1679565.  

Obesity is also problem that means that food got waisted...

Ba-dum-chish!
Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1679583 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 15:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 1679567.  
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The future of the UK?

Hmmm, tricky - However, this happened on the Tories watch...

Chopped up for scrap

...I can hear the cogs moving in people's heads...

...what has that got to do with the election & future of the UK?

"Dynamic Mongoose" looking for subs

It has also highlighted a gaping hole in Britain's own defences.
There have been recent reports of Russian submarines off the coast of Sweden, Finland and the UK.

Britain no longer has any of its own maritime patrol aircraft and this exercise is a reminder of a significant gap in the UK's defences.

Several times over the past year Britain has had to call on its Nato allies to provide eyes in the sky when there have been reported Russian submarines in or near Britain's waters.

He says the lack of any maritime patrol aircraft, that used to be provided by the Nimrod, means a Russian submarine could sit off the UK and track the nuclear deterrent as it leaves Faslane naval base in Scotland.

Britain, he says, should be "exceptionally worried" that it is seen as a "soft touch", because Russia will continue to test its defences, just as they have by flying long range bombers near UK airspace."

Think the "Smug One" should act on this ASAP: -

"The lack of any UK maritime patrol aircraft will have to be addressed in the government's forthcoming defence and security review."

Modified for spelling :-)


Back to those old cold war days again when Russia was unsure of our
technical and military capabilities in comparison to theirs.
Seems it could be the same problem Russia is having today. What with there
being about 80 Russian spies estimated now to be in operation within the UK
makes one wonder if Russia feels it's fallen behind the tec' curve once again.
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Message 1679593 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 16:21:43 UTC

Thousands sign petition calling for north of England to be part of Scotland

I agree that the south has let down the rest of England for decades. Perhaps its time to admit that England can no longer take care of its own affairs and Scotland needs to step in and act as a carer?

Oh..and I wasn't imagining it about the google search:
The performance of the SNP’s Nicola Sturgeon in the first leaders’ debate impressed many voters in England, who took to Google to ask if they could vote for her party despite living south of the border.


I am convinced that had the SNP been able to field candidates in England the election results would have been very different.
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Message 1679603 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 17:06:18 UTC - in response to Message 1679593.  

Thousands sign petition calling for north of England to be part of Scotland

I agree that the south has let down the rest of England for decades. Perhaps its time to admit that England can no longer take care of its own affairs and Scotland needs to step in and act as a carer?

Oh..and I wasn't imagining it about the google search:
The performance of the SNP’s Nicola Sturgeon in the first leaders’ debate impressed many voters in England, who took to Google to ask if they could vote for her party despite living south of the border.


I am convinced that had the SNP been able to field candidates in England the election results would have been very different.


Not too sure how the Scots would feel about taking over a band of northern Sasenachs? Also what evidence is there that Scotland could take care of affairs better than Westminster has done. Who knows how Scotland would
perform under independence? But is there any evidence that Westminster has
ever kept Scotland back from generating a strong vibrant economy over the
years. I don't think there is but our man in Westminster, Chris, may have
a valuable insight on this matter.
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Message 1679609 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 17:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1679603.  
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Well I'm Gaelic & would definitely vote for her :-)

As for Scotland being able to manage better than Westminster, well based on what the "Leprechauns" did for many a year, they could do okay...

...Unfortunately, what did the "Leprechauns" in was joining the Euro...

...within months their economy was in the crapper...

...& that's the only saving grace that the UK has at the moment.
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Message 1679614 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 17:35:19 UTC

What comes to mind here is what rule bending would Brussels invoke to get an
independent Scotland to be able to join the EU? Added to this, would Scotland
wish to join the EU knowing how fragile the Euro currency is.
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Message 1679616 - Posted: 14 May 2015, 17:36:04 UTC
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This start to be fun.
Why not make Greater London a country and the rest Scotland.
And call them Little Britain and Great Scotland:)

@Nick. You can still be part of EU and not in the Europian Monetary Union EMU.
Both UK and Sweden are that.
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