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Message 1682306 - Posted: 21 May 2015, 22:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 1682294.  
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Thats was a big oneliner:)
But Brussels as you say, I hope that you mean the EU Parlaiment, are already adressing this problem.
Sort of because it's a fairly new problem with mass migration from the middle east for obvious resons...
And saying that "Brussels has no conscious, who are they kidding, they don't really give a damn about the boat people." is utter nonsense!

Too long in sentence to be classed as a one liner!!
Jan, you seem to have faith in Brussels, lets hope they don't turn out to be
your devil in disguise.

Lets say I have hope but not faith in the EU (Brussels).
Big problem right now in the EU now.
Every country in the EU are now asking questions why EU fails.

btw. Every computer in the world classes long sentences without a carriage return as a line.

EOL:)
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Message 1682322 - Posted: 21 May 2015, 23:04:26 UTC

btw. Every computer in the world classes long sentences without a carriage return as a line.


That's strange then, Jan, for I counted eleven carriage returns?
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Message 1682330 - Posted: 21 May 2015, 23:16:11 UTC - in response to Message 1682322.  
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btw. Every computer in the world classes long sentences without a carriage return as a line.

That's strange then, Jan, for I counted eleven carriage returns?

You are using a phone right?
They do send what you are typing but its up you to type carriage returns in a message.
New line is not the same as carriage return.
AKA as NL and CR.
They do not Count as characters in a text
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Message 1682347 - Posted: 21 May 2015, 23:51:51 UTC

You are using a phone right?


Using my keyboard & computer via wifi and the internet.
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Message 1682351 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 0:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 1682347.  
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You are using a phone right?

Using my keyboard & computer via wifi and the internet.

Hmm...
But you are not using the key "CR" or "NL" or "ENTER" before your post are sent to SETI.
Seems to me that the old line limit 80 characters are used by your editor and it's putting NL's when needed depending how long the words are in a line.
Very much the 80's to me:)
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Message 1682355 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 0:54:49 UTC - in response to Message 1682351.  

You are using a phone right?

Using my keyboard & computer via wifi and the internet.

Hmm...
But you are not using the key "CR" or "NL" or "ENTER" before your post are sent to SETI.
Seems to me that the old line limit 80 characters are used by your editor and it's putting NL's when needed depending how long the words are in a line.
Very much the 80's to me:)


Lets try using enter...
Hit enter and it acts as carriage return.
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Message 1682359 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 1:02:16 UTC - in response to Message 1682355.  
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Lets try using enter...
Hit enter and it acts as carriage return.

It depends on your OS.
Microsoft send NL and CR when pressing enter.
Unix and Linux only send NL.
Think old type writers:)
This is still a problem after more then 60 years in the IT World.
Then we have all these non-English characters like å ä ö
Think if the English characters w q and x where gone in English...
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Message 1682471 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 8:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1682261.  

Brussels is just being opportunistic here for reasons which are
pretty straightforward. When it comes to a vote in support of Brussels and
it's future plans for a full United States of Europe you can guess on who's
votes Brussels will be able to count on....all those immigrants moving into
the EU over the passed 15 years.....they will be the vote swayers, swaying
things in favour of Brussels.

That is idiotic. If there ever was a vote for an 'United States of Europe' the final decision of such a thing would be in the hands of the national governments, not 'the people'. Besides, immigrants only represent a tiny minority of the total population. If they were able to sway any vote in any particular direction, its because pretty much no one else has shown up to vote.
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Message 1682472 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 8:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 1682204.  

It is all dealing with the symptoms not the root cause of the problem. The problem? Why do so many people not want to live any more in their own countries? War, poverty, oppression? Britain cannot afford to take on the result of the worlds problems. What we can do is try to reduce or prevent these problems happening in the first place.

Exactly what the current UK has put in place as a policy. Look at the Syrian crisis. Where Germany has pledged to take in thousands of displaced refugees, the UK has only made a commitment for about 500 in 3 years. Instead, they spend millions on refugee aid in the region itself.
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Message 1682486 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 8:48:03 UTC - in response to Message 1682476.  
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Shouldn't we be assuming that the national governments were voted in by the people to represent their best interests?

Sure, my point is that such a decision about making the EU the United States of Europe is just not going to be much of a direct choice for the people.

Although, even if it was, the number of refugees present in Europe everywhere is not nearly enough to turn elections one way or the other.

Not quite true. Some of that money is spent on equipping and training the good guys to fight the bad guys, thus hopefully ending the conflict to prevent even more refugees. And any money spent on refugees is immediate humanitarian aid on the spot where it is needed.

That would be a waste of money. This conflict doesn't have good guys, only bad guys. But I digress, I meant that the UK doesn't want to take as many refugees in because they want to focus on providing help directly to the refugees who are stuck in Syria or the surrounding countries.

All countries are pulling together in an international consortium to deal with the problem, each playing the part that it can do best. Germany has a stronger economy than most. Is the Netherlands doing anything to help?

We are part of the coalition that drops bombs on IS. Also we do take in a number of refugees, although Im not sure how many. Not as much as Germany though.
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Message 1682535 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 11:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 1682455.  

Today I learnt that the UK consists of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

I have regularly been posting that information for a couple of years here, so I am surprised that you have only just learnt it today. I also have posted many times where Britain and Great Britain come into the picture.
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We, in western Europe, all know that:)
But for some reason British Wikipedia have to explain it in English:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#Etymology_and_terminology
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Message 1682539 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 11:25:49 UTC - in response to Message 1682455.  

Today I learnt that the UK consists of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

I have regularly been posting that information for a couple of years here, so I am surprised that you have only just learnt it today. I also have posted many times where Britain and Great Britain come into the picture.
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We, in western Europe, all know that:)
But for some reason British Wikipedia have to explain it in English:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#Etymology_and_terminology

Gibraltar:) A schoolmate of mine had parents that had a house or a flat there.
She was often there.
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Message 1682541 - Posted: 22 May 2015, 11:28:01 UTC - in response to Message 1682538.  
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But for some reason British Wikipedia have to explain it in English:)

We have to, else the Swedish people get confused, which is not unknown :-)

HeHeHe.
Well, Brits are very confused that Swedish people all speak English:)
And following all UK elections AND the scot referendum...
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Message 1682951 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 4:01:35 UTC - in response to Message 1682471.  

Brussels is just being opportunistic here for reasons which are
pretty straightforward. When it comes to a vote in support of Brussels and
it's future plans for a full United States of Europe you can guess on who's
votes Brussels will be able to count on....all those immigrants moving into
the EU over the passed 15 years.....they will be the vote swayers, swaying
things in favour of Brussels.

That is idiotic. If there ever was a vote for an 'United States of Europe' the final decision of such a thing would be in the hands of the national governments, not 'the people'. Besides, immigrants only represent a tiny minority of the total population. If they were able to sway any vote in any particular direction, its because pretty much no one else has shown up to vote.

Seems math is not your strongest subject....
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Message 1682953 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 4:04:51 UTC - in response to Message 1682472.  

It is all dealing with the symptoms not the root cause of the problem. The problem? Why do so many people not want to live any more in their own countries? War, poverty, oppression? Britain cannot afford to take on the result of the worlds problems. What we can do is try to reduce or prevent these problems happening in the first place.

Exactly what the current UK has put in place as a policy. Look at the Syrian crisis. Where Germany has pledged to take in thousands of displaced refugees, the UK has only made a commitment for about 500 in 3 years. Instead, they spend millions on refugee aid in the region itself.


....And some of us here in the UK would say that this was 500 too many.
It's our country so our decision and NOT any one else's outside the UK.
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Message 1683297 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 15:33:03 UTC - in response to Message 1682951.  

Seems math is not your strongest subject....

What math?
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Message 1683299 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 15:35:10 UTC - in response to Message 1683199.  

I don't think anyone in the UK would quibble at having 500 refugees for humanitarian purposes even if they did stay permanetly. What we do quiblle about is 10's of thousands of economic migrants that just want to enjoy our better way of life rather than try to change their own country for the better. That is a different kettle of fish entirely.

That's what it's all about...self help, and very little going on inside
many of these immigrants home countries.
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Message 1683301 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 15:35:51 UTC - in response to Message 1682953.  

....And some of us here in the UK would say that this was 500 too many.
It's our country so our decision and NOT any one else's outside the UK.

It was the decision of your government. Though I have to say that it takes a special kind of person that is willing to turn his back on fellow human beings in dire need.
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Message 1683304 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 15:39:14 UTC - in response to Message 1683199.  

I don't think anyone in the UK would quibble at having 500 refugees for humanitarian purposes even if they did stay permanetly. What we do quiblle about is 10's of thousands of economic migrants that just want to enjoy our better way of life rather than try to change their own country for the better. That is a different kettle of fish entirely.

And all of them are pretty much kept out of the UK. Even if they make it to the borders of the UK, the chances of economic migrants getting a residence permit are slim to none. The default assumption of the UK's immigration policy is that those people have no business being in the UK.
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Message 1683306 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 15:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 1683301.  
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....And some of us here in the UK would say that this was 500 too many.
It's our country so our decision and NOT any one else's outside the UK.

It was the decision of your government. Though I have to say that it takes a special kind of person that is willing to turn his back on fellow human beings in dire need.


Yes, and going by the amount of benevolence the British people show by the
amount they contribute to world charities, far in excess of many other
countries, then us British are a special kind of people....including myself.
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