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Nick ![]() Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 ![]() |
This start to be fun. Join up with Sweden and become Greater Swedtain or Greater Britswede... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
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This start to be fun. Actually I thought of that:) Instead of EU why not split it to Northern EU, Central EU, Eastern EU and Southern EU. Lets face it. Europe has still diverse Cultures. The acronyms would be NEU, CEU, EEU, SEU. Lets rock. |
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Well lets see, the poll tax was first rolled out in Scotland. The conservative government also decimated Scotland's mining, steel and shipbuilding industries and savaged public services against the will of the Scottish people. Those are just things in recent history. We haven't even got to the obliteration of the celtic langauge, the forbidding of the Tartans, Culloden, the banning of the clans... England has hardly been a benevolent overseer in Scotland. Reality Internet Personality |
Nick ![]() Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Gosh your going back a long time on some of this above. The law governing the banning of the tartans was repealed in 1782. A lot to do with unofficial armies being set up under false tartans. The coal industry got hit badly by the Labour government of the late 1960's. Ship building, could not compete against the Japanese, they stole the market. But if past is ever to be taken into consideration then why is Germany at the forefront of the EU. Look at their past history, nothing to be proud of so what makes them strong contenders to have the best interests of Europe at heart over their own? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
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Do you really think that hasn't come into the debate and isn't at the heart of a lot of fear over Europe? Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Which is why Britain should do what's it done often enough in the past - Stand alone. |
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England should stand alone and deal with its own mess. Scotland shouldn't have to go along with their nonsense. Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Even better, why not form our own "economic union"? Parliamentary Union of Britain, consisting of: - Wales, Ireland, Scotland & England? I'm sure it would be a lot wiser than the EU :-) |
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Even better, why not form our own "economic union"? Maybe, but I am still not sure that Britain would be better without Europe. Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Even better, why not form our own "economic union"? Sweden & Norway seem to be doing alright & we did okay while it was the EEC, so what changed? |
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Even better, why not form our own "economic union"? LOL. |
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"Dynamic Mongoose" looking for subs The British Isles have not the submarine defense that they need? Geez. Bottom line. They could have if politicians and the taxpayers are willing to pay. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
The British Isles have not the submarine defense that they need? Did you read the 1st link? |
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The British Isles have not the submarine defense that they need? Yes? Now I'm confused. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
The British Isles have not the submarine defense that they need? £4billion worth of Maritime Nimrod Aircraft chopped up for scrap & all because they wanted to save £100 million... ...so that the following year, they could send £340 million to a nuclear powered nation to assist with their "security issues" |
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OMG! I found this. Unfortunately, that program has faced a series of budget cuts, stalls, and conditions that have reduced the program from 21 aircraft, to 12, to 9 – and then to 0. In 2010, Britain decided to give up fixed-wing maritime patrol and anti-submarine aircraft entirely, then scrapped all of its Nimrod MR2s. Its MR1 electronic eavesdropping planes followed, in June 2011. Leaving the burning question: now what? Periodic “reminders†from Russia and other entities have kept that question very current, indeed. Whats even worse. Nimrod MR2s are not suitible for submarine hunt Close to the British Isles. Trust me. I'm a Swede:) Well. Its only taxpayers Money... Ahoy. |
Nick ![]() Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 ![]() |
It was used as a comparison to the previous argument raised against England. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick ![]() Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 ![]() |
It does seem that people would like to see Great Britain split up and England go it's own way. Beats me why they wish this so. If there's any evidence that England has been suppressing the financial growth of any of the other member countries of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland then lets see it. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Мишель ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 ![]() |
On the whole I think we can safely say that since the UK is twice as densely populated compared to Germany and three times more densely populated than France then time those two countries played catch-up with us. They do actually, especially Germany. When it comes to taking in refugees from Syria, Germany lets in ten thousand, and the UK? Eh, about 500 over a 3 year period. And then about another 1500-2000 a year in Asylum seekers. |
Мишель ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 ![]() |
He can demand, yes, but it remains to be seen whether the rest of Europe wants to give into his demands. The UK already is a special case, with a ton of exceptions and opt outs that the rest of Europe doesn't have. Demanding even more under the guise that the current deals aren't fair for the UK...well, good chance that they will just tell Cameron to sod off. And then the UK threatens to leave? Well, okay that would suck, and France and Germany would not be happy about it. But that might not be enough, and opening yourself to what comes down to political blackmail might have much more severe long term consequences that aren't worth having the UK around. |
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