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Message 1715122 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 5:45:07 UTC

Just burned ISO of Ubuntu 14.04.3 and I'm gonna set up a dual OS boot on the old workstation along side the Win 7 I have running there.

Gotta be tomorrow, beddy bye now.

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Message 1715152 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 6:52:21 UTC

I know tons of people that would totally ditch Windows entirely if all of the games from the past... 15 years would work in Linux. But... there's a market-share monopoly on everything only working with DirectX.. and .NET, which makes basically every game that is worth playing Windows-only.

Occasionally, there are some that use OpenGL instead, and actually a lot of indie games work on Windows, Linux, and OSX because of the choice to go with OpenGL (likely because they didn't have the budget for the licensing to use DirectX).

I was really looking forward to AMD's Mantle engine....and then MS saw how good Mantle was and said "let's make an identical copy of it, but call it DX12 instead!" *throws arms up* Well.. there goes that glimmer of hope that Mantle-supported games would start being quite popular (and be cross-platform compatible).

I seriously would have ditched Windows a decade ago if it weren't for the completely cornered/captive market of DirectX. Yes, there is always WinE (Windows Emulator), but it only works so much, and because it has to emulate an environment, there's a lot of overhead and it is very glitchy and selective/moody about what will and won't work.
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Message 1715155 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 6:58:41 UTC - in response to Message 1715152.  
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That's how M$ put most of us on their needle. Windows not OS only to be replaced. It's ecosystem. And actually it embraces not only software like games. There is hardware that will work nowhere but Windows...
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Message 1715172 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 7:46:16 UTC - in response to Message 1715015.  

I only have a local account. But which version of Windows 10 do you have? I have the Home. Others with Pro can use RDP.
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Message 1715199 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 8:37:48 UTC

Well I wondered how long it would be.

Got this e-mail today as I am on the O&O mailing list

A free tool to disable all the nasty windows privacy settings.

Only basic IT experience required!!

Windows Shutup

Free for now but?
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Message 1715287 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 13:05:35 UTC - in response to Message 1715199.  

Well I wondered how long it would be.

Got this e-mail today as I am on the O&O mailing list

A free tool to disable all the nasty windows privacy settings.

Only basic IT experience required!!

Windows Shutup

Free for now but?


Good laught gave me logo in right bottom corner where they proudly say "Microsoft partner Gold Application Development Gold OEM" :D :D
Nice irony for such tool.
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Message 1715308 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 14:09:33 UTC - in response to Message 1715069.  

The whole linux thing is not any harder then when you learned how to use dos and windows

I agree, but I have the advantage of some Unix knowledge where the average Joe doesn't. My drawback is finding productivity programs. Does Open Office work in Linux?

I think I'll install a Linux OS version on an old HP XW6200 I have and play with it. What flavor do you suggest?



In the early 90s I had to make a decision at work on which nix flavor to use for a DNS server followed by a web server etc. After much research it came down to Free BSD and Slackware for stability and security. I finally opted for Slackware because Linux seemed to have a bigger community to lean on. After 20+ years I do not regret that decision so my recommendation would be Slackware. YMMV.
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Message 1715368 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 17:03:50 UTC - in response to Message 1715199.  

Well I wondered how long it would be.

Got this e-mail today as I am on the O&O mailing list

A free tool to disable all the nasty windows privacy settings.

Only basic IT experience required!!

Windows Shutup

Free for now but?

Thanks Bernie. I just Downloaded it. I will make sure to move it to my Flash Drive for safe keeping.

I'm still planning to upgrade my family's systems in December to Win 10. Three of the systems will be Win 10 Home, my system will be Win 10 Pro.


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Message 1715373 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 17:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 1715368.  
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Well I wondered how long it would be.

Got this e-mail today as I am on the O&O mailing list

A free tool to disable all the nasty windows privacy settings.

Only basic IT experience required!!

Windows Shutup

Free for now but?

Thanks Bernie. I just Downloaded it. I will make sure to move it to my Flash Drive for safe keeping.

I'm still planning to upgrade my family's systems in December to Win 10. Three of the systems will be Win 10 Home, my system will be Win 10 Pro.


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It was only a matter of time I guess. I saved a copy as well.
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Message 1715380 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 17:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1715152.  

I know tons of people that would totally ditch Windows entirely if all of the games from the past... 15 years would work in Linux. But... there's a market-share monopoly on everything only working with DirectX.. and .NET, which makes basically every game that is worth playing Windows-only.

Occasionally, there are some that use OpenGL instead, and actually a lot of indie games work on Windows, Linux, and OSX because of the choice to go with OpenGL (likely because they didn't have the budget for the licensing to use DirectX).

I was really looking forward to AMD's Mantle engine....and then MS saw how good Mantle was and said "let's make an identical copy of it, but call it DX12 instead!" *throws arms up* Well.. there goes that glimmer of hope that Mantle-supported games would start being quite popular (and be cross-platform compatible).

I seriously would have ditched Windows a decade ago if it weren't for the completely cornered/captive market of DirectX. Yes, there is always WinE (Windows Emulator), but it only works so much, and because it has to emulate an environment, there's a lot of overhead and it is very glitchy and selective/moody about what will and won't work.



as a matter of fact i play 99% of my games in linux
Wine is the app that makes it possible
I even play Elite dangerous in it

some games just need a lil bit of reading and googeling
I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap
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Message 1715382 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 17:30:56 UTC

i don't play much games

i understand the security benefits of using a command line for almost everything, but for me that gets a bit old after a while

i'm not an expert typist
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Message 1715395 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 17:44:11 UTC - in response to Message 1715382.  

i don't play much games

i understand the security benefits of using a command line for almost everything, but for me that gets a bit old after a while

i'm not an expert typist


that misconception is based on linux 10 years ago most of it can be done through the gui nowadays just like in windows
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Message 1715413 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:01:26 UTC

i had to run a bunch of command lines to install dependencies just to try to get a video driver installed

i would rather not have to type sudo every other minute
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Message 1715423 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:10:35 UTC - in response to Message 1715382.  
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...i'm not an expert typist

Yep, I'm not a fan of the cmdline either. My favorite cmdline was GKSU nautilus, until I decided to use the Berkeley version of BOINC in my Home folder. Now I don't need to track down BOINC files or worry about permissions. I just open the BOINC folder and work as though it were Windows, except My BOINC data folder isn't in a Hidden folder. The only down side is you have to launch boincmgr manually, but, I do that on All my machines anyway. I don't care to have BOINC launch at startup and I only have a few machines anyway.

It works nicely and I've never had a problem with it. You just need to know what ldd and the Synaptic Package Manager is for...
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Message 1715428 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:16:57 UTC - in response to Message 1715413.  

i had to run a bunch of command lines to install dependencies just to try to get a video driver installed

i would rather not have to type sudo every other minute


Dependencies can be installed from synaptic or whatever package manager you prefer no need for a shell
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Message 1715438 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:34:42 UTC

so i could have really skipped all the installer notes and clicked my mouse and all would have been well?
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Message 1715440 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:36:29 UTC - in response to Message 1715055.  

I just picked up 2 Win 7 64 Pro off Amazon Prime, as an insurance policy. I am intending to retro grade my 2 daily drivers back from 8.1.


H.P. is still offering Win 7 Pro 64 bit with nvidea graphics in the $550 to #650 range with bells/whistles added.
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Message 1715451 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 1715438.  
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so i could have really skipped all the installer notes and clicked my mouse and all would have been well?

I don't know what you installed, but, if you would have installed it from the Ubuntu Software Center then Yes it could have been that simple.

BTW, VLC is in the Software Center and it installs with One Click of the mouse.
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Message 1715454 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 18:56:15 UTC - in response to Message 1715440.  

I just picked up 2 Win 7 64 Pro off Amazon Prime, as an insurance policy. I am intending to retro grade my 2 daily drivers back from 8.1.


H.P. is still offering Win 7 Pro 64 bit with nvidea graphics in the $550 to #650 range with bells/whistles added.

I'm not sure if I would want my computer to have any bells or whistles.
Despite Windows 7 being "end of life" many computer manufactures are still offering it.
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Message 1715461 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 19:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 1715454.  

I'm not sure if I would want my computer to have any bells or whistles.

Might be useful, as then you'll get an audible warning that Windows is going to install mandatory updates. :)
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