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Message 1709435 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 20:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 1709433.  

I've used IE since v6 & until that MS update crap earlier this year, had no issues with IE. Only reason why I use Firefox is because some sites, even though I can view the sites, will not log me in. Other than that, no issues.

Like everything, it's all down to choice.
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Message 1709451 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 20:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 1709219.  

Just uninstall, and hide the following updates, and you'll never be bothered again (until they push another upgrade update on you):

KB 3035583 - According to Microsoft, this update enables "additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications when new updates are available".
KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)


This is what someone posted here a while ago.
It worked for me.

3035583 is the critical one that gives the icon notification, but the one I bolded, 2952664, is known as 'nagware' and has a long history of issues, primarily failing to install properly and after two restarts, nags you again to install it..and it fails again, etc.

Personally, I have hidden that particular update six times now, but it keeps coming back as an available update, because MS keeps "fixing" it, which changes the unique hash identifier for it, even though the KB number is still the same, so it comes back as a "new" available update. Here's the explanation from InfoWorld about that one.

I have both of my win7 machines set to "check for updates, let me choose what to download and install." I also use WSUS and try to decline the updates related to the 10 upgrade, but sometimes, there are just so many updates that I miss a few, so I have a second fail-safe on the individual machines, and when I see a list of what updates are available, I google all the KB numbers, looking to see what they actually do. MS just says stuff like "fixes a number of small issues for better reliability" and that's the extent of their information about what an update does, but then it turns out that it does almost nothing of the sort and instead, runs basically a keylogger and data-mining to report back to HQ how you use your computer, and there's no way to turn that off, other than to never install it in the first place. That's the other reason I always wait a week or so to install updates: to give it time for other people to find problems so that I can avoid those problems.
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Message 1709454 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 20:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1709451.  

I like the last sentence in that report.

"Many unanswered questions remain on the road to Windows 10."
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Message 1709464 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 21:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 1709451.  

... but the one I bolded, 2952664, is known as 'nagware' and has a long history of issues, primarily failing to install properly and after two restarts, nags you again to install it..and it fails again, etc.

Personally, I have hidden that particular update six times now, but it keeps coming back as an available update, because MS keeps "fixing" it, which changes the unique hash identifier for it, even though the KB number is still the same, so it comes back as a "new" available update. Here's the explanation from InfoWorld about that one.

Thanks very much for that tidbit. I just knew that update sounded familiar, yet because it showed an August 4th release date, it had me puzzled. That's why I just made a note of it, until I could get around to checking it out further. I don't think I ever understood why some vaguely familiar updates occasionally seemed to reappear. Your explanation of the "hash identifier" component has me going, "Ah, ha...so that's it!"
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Message 1709479 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 21:33:34 UTC - in response to Message 1709433.  

@ all was anyone still using IE? I switched to Firefox 3 years ago due to all the inter-connectivity occurring every time IE was open. Slowed everything down on my systems.


Sadly, because IE was the standard for so many years and many companies wrote all sorts of intranet sites or custom ActiveX controls for IE, most companies I've worked in the role of IT Support only officially support IE but allow users to use whatever browser they choose.

Personally, I mostly use IE after having spent some time using Firefox then switching to Chrome (and a very brief stint with Opera). I'm currently using Edge and so far ... it's a browser. Meh.
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Message 1709486 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 21:53:54 UTC - in response to Message 1709433.  

I use IE at times to watch videos (from news sites mostly) that refuse to work in Pale Moon or Firefox. Apparently IE is capable of playing the most obscure video formats without extra plugins and add-ons.
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Message 1709531 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 0:20:05 UTC

O.K. I must admit I am a Win 10 convert, but WTF is up with Edge?! Is there no security?!

I have a full version of Win 10 PRO with all of the updates, the latest CCC and the biggest problem I have is Edge. OMG MS! get your sh%& together!
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Message 1709537 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 0:45:23 UTC - in response to Message 1709531.  

O.K. I must admit I am a Win 10 convert, but WTF is up with Edge?! Is there no security?!

I have a full version of Win 10 PRO with all of the updates, the latest CCC and the biggest problem I have is Edge. OMG MS! get your sh%& together!


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Message 1709623 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 6:02:30 UTC



This thread has convinced me I should try to find a HP OEM key for Win 7 Pro 'cause,
I won't be going to Windows NSA Edition anytime soon...

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Message 1709639 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 7:40:14 UTC

I might also add....
Depending on how you pay for your internet bandwidth, Windows Skynet edition will also be using YOUR money to pay for their transfer of YOUR data to their servers so they can sell it to make more money for themselves.......

Just sayin'...
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Message 1709642 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 7:50:43 UTC

I am not a Windows fan, I have two Linux boxes running SuSE Linux, often updated but it asks me if I accept the updates. But, having bought a HP minitower, I found Windows 8 64-bit installed on it, soon updated to 8.1. I am running Virtual Box on it in order to run the CERN projects which need Virtual Box. Now it was updated to Windows 10 home edition, and all CERN projects restarted after some minor glitches. I am not a Facebook, Google, Twitter or Live user and my Thunderbird mailbox is on both Linux boxes, so I think I have nothing to fear.
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Message 1709653 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 9:00:26 UTC

I wish to publicly thank all the early adopters of Windows 10 - they are going through the pain so that the later adopters have a less rough path...
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Message 1709689 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 12:13:13 UTC

I haven't had much time lately, so I didn't force the update. Last night it downloaded on it's own, and if I don't have to work tomorrow, I'll give it a go. I'll start with the upgrade, create an ISO, then do a clean install. If i do have to work tomorrow, it will have to wait another week.

I appreciate all the information from everyone's input to this thread. I know far more about Win 10, that I have known about any new OS prior to installing it.

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Message 1709703 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 12:55:09 UTC - in response to Message 1709639.  

I might also add....
Depending on how you pay for your internet bandwidth, Windows Skynet edition will also be using YOUR money to pay for their transfer of YOUR data to their servers so they can sell it to make more money for themselves.......

Just sayin'...

tullio mentioned the workaround for that previously.

One neat feature of Windows 10, I think the only one I have found so far, is that it does track the internet usage of apps for you. I can see BOINC has used ~1.9GB & what's this... why had the "photos" app used 150MB? It's a work machine in my lab with no photos on it, using a local account, & I haven't touched it in a few days. So that's annoying.
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Message 1709720 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 14:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 1709703.  

I might also add....
Depending on how you pay for your internet bandwidth, Windows Skynet edition will also be using YOUR money to pay for their transfer of YOUR data to their servers so they can sell it to make more money for themselves.......

Just sayin'...

tullio mentioned the workaround for that previously.


Yes, for the informed. Just how many of the users do you think will ever know that trick?

Skynet wins.
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Message 1709743 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 15:28:53 UTC

When installing Windows 10 the system opens up a LOT of connections to other companies with ads.
Your computer system will lag a lot!
What I found out was that you have to change the privacy settings to off.
There are many of them but when I set them to off the lags disappered.
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/privacy-settings-windows-10
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Message 1709753 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 16:04:04 UTC - in response to Message 1709743.  

The major issue that I'm seeing is this: - An operating system should be just that. All users should be able to make their own choice as to what programs/apps they install on their computers.

What's to stop Microsoft from adding an MS update that undoes all your hard work in getting your system to the way you want it?

Anyone remember the WPA farce?
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Message 1710021 - Posted: 8 Aug 2015, 13:10:17 UTC

Seven days after it's release they improve enhancements to the functionality?

New improved enhancements
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Message 1710025 - Posted: 8 Aug 2015, 13:31:19 UTC - in response to Message 1710021.  

Seven days after it's release they improve enhancements to the functionality?

New improved enhancements

So, we have a "Cumulative Update for Windows 10: August 5, 2015", comprising 3915 files and 1,802,903,011 bytes.

In other words, Service Pack 0.01 is out.
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Message 1710026 - Posted: 8 Aug 2015, 13:34:08 UTC
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My Windows 10 PC rebooted last night and I found all projects using VirtualBox powered off. I took the occasion to update my VBox from 4.3.12 to 4.3.30 and all VBox projects have restarted, save the CERN Summer Challenge which is not a BOINC project. On the Virtual Box site I learned that VBox 5.0 is not yet working on Windows 10, that is the reason I installed 4.3.30.
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