Would be good to devise some table of unwanted services

http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/

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Would be good to devise some table of unwanted services

http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/

Excellent that BlackViper is still doing his stuff. I made good use of his lists back in the days of WinXP...

As for Win10... By 'eck that is some list!

Why is IT not easy?


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Greetings,

Oh crap! Windoze 10 is downloading right this very minute. :| I was going to go in and uninstall all the Windoze 10 updates... I have to admit, my curiosity is running real high. :/ "Should I stay or should I go?" :\ Since I am running Win7 Pro, I do have the somewhat advantage of update control. I don't do "Express/Recommended" installs, not even with BOINC. And, I could always role back or just clean install Win7 again. Better run BOINC outta WUs first, just in case... set to NNT.

Download is at 66% and counting...

[edit]OOPS! That wasn't supposed to happen. The other will be deleted shortly, I hope. ;) [/edit]


Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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if i don't use it i want to uninstall it which again is impossible
i don't want people i sure as hell do not want a advertising id and to top it off i want to uninstall xbox cortana news 3d builder , contact support get office and especially groove music and bing maps one note and one drive same with weather

it all takes up cpu cycles i can use for something else and not their crap that i did not ask for nor want

Unopened apps do not consume CPU cycles. If you don't want to use it, don't use it, but it won't consume RAM or CPU if unopened.

It only consumes HDD space, take part in MFT, that in turn loaded into RAM and requires CPU cycles to be processed.
Also, any indexing/AV apps that read through files will spend both RAM and CPU cycles to deal with that crap too.

But these things are happening regardless. It is not like the apps are having a significant impact on MFT/CPU performance. I would even argue that I doubt you could show a measurable impact on performance. This seems to me to be a posturing position on your part just to say that there is a non-zero impact, which is like grasping at straws sir.

And last but not least, M$ likes to load their crap as services, that is, it will take both RAM and CPU cycles even being not using or "unopened".

So, crap always stinks, even being untouched ;)

Not true on the services part. The only applications that get loaded as a service are the ones Microsoft feels need to be available at boot time to perform a specific function or to assist with a specific function.

if i don't use it i want to uninstall it which again is impossible
i don't want people i sure as hell do not want a advertising id and to top it off i want to uninstall xbox cortana news 3d builder , contact support get office and especially groove music and bing maps one note and one drive same with weather

it all takes up cpu cycles i can use for something else and not their crap that i did not ask for nor want

Unopened apps do not consume CPU cycles. If you don't want to use it, don't use it, but it won't consume RAM or CPU if unopened.

It only consumes HDD space, take part in MFT, that in turn loaded into RAM and requires CPU cycles to be processed.
Also, any indexing/AV apps that read through files will spend both RAM and CPU cycles to deal with that crap too.

But these things are happening regardless. It is not like the apps are having a significant impact on MFT/CPU performance. I would even argue that I doubt you could show a measurable impact on performance. This seems to me to be a posturing position on your part just to say that there is a non-zero impact, which is like grasping at straws sir.

And last but not least, M$ likes to load their crap as services, that is, it will take both RAM and CPU cycles even being not using or "unopened".

So, crap always stinks, even being untouched ;)

Not true on the services part. The only applications that get loaded as a service are the ones Microsoft feels need to be available at boot time to perform a specific function or to assist with a specific function.

I disabled 7 services on Win 7 so i`m almost certain it will be more on win 10.
It speeds up boot time and saves ressources so i`m with Raistmer on that.

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if i don't use it i want to uninstall it which again is impossible
i don't want people i sure as hell do not want a advertising id and to top it off i want to uninstall xbox cortana news 3d builder , contact support get office and especially groove music and bing maps one note and one drive same with weather

it all takes up cpu cycles i can use for something else and not their crap that i did not ask for nor want

Unopened apps do not consume CPU cycles. If you don't want to use it, don't use it, but it won't consume RAM or CPU if unopened.

It only consumes HDD space, take part in MFT, that in turn loaded into RAM and requires CPU cycles to be processed.
Also, any indexing/AV apps that read through files will spend both RAM and CPU cycles to deal with that crap too.

But these things are happening regardless. It is not like the apps are having a significant impact on MFT/CPU performance. I would even argue that I doubt you could show a measurable impact on performance. This seems to me to be a posturing position on your part just to say that there is a non-zero impact, which is like grasping at straws sir.

And last but not least, M$ likes to load their crap as services, that is, it will take both RAM and CPU cycles even being not using or "unopened".

So, crap always stinks, even being untouched ;)

Not true on the services part. The only applications that get loaded as a service are the ones Microsoft feels need to be available at boot time to perform a specific function or to assist with a specific function.

I disabled 7 services on Win 7 so i`m almost certain it will be more on win 10.
It speeds up boot time and saves ressources so i`m with Raistmer on that.

Well yes, disabling unnecessary service does tend to do that. That wasn't my argument, however.

Having decided to forgo the many features of Win 10 due to the high cost of privacy, I canceled the download but it keeps trying to download even though I chose "Hide" in the update list.

Any suggestions?

There is a suggestion in CPDN message boards to define your Internet connection as "metered". Then MS won't download.
Tullio

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Thanks everyone for the suggestions, even Grumpy Swede, the post WAS humorous...... ";D)

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it was a mac

Having decided to forgo the many features of Win 10 due to the high cost of privacy, I canceled the download but it keeps trying to download even though I chose "Hide" in the update list.

Any suggestions?

Have you Uninstalled the KB3035583 update?

I just did that, so far the Win 10 available icon has not re-appeared. The system immediately started looking for 'available updates' upon reboot which I stopped.

Thanks again.

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If it doesn't stop, there are 5 more possible methods, aside from installing Windows 10 and then reversing to the previous version -like Jeff did.

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if i don't use it i want to uninstall it which again is impossible
i don't want people i sure as hell do not want a advertising id and to top it off i want to uninstall xbox cortana news 3d builder , contact support get office and especially groove music and bing maps one note and one drive same with weather

it all takes up cpu cycles i can use for something else and not their crap that i did not ask for nor want

Unopened apps do not consume CPU cycles. If you don't want to use it, don't use it, but it won't consume RAM or CPU if unopened.

It only consumes HDD space, take part in MFT, that in turn loaded into RAM and requires CPU cycles to be processed.
Also, any indexing/AV apps that read through files will spend both RAM and CPU cycles to deal with that crap too.

But these things are happening regardless. It is not like the apps are having a significant impact on MFT/CPU performance. I would even argue that I doubt you could show a measurable impact on performance. This seems to me to be a posturing position on your part just to say that there is a non-zero impact, which is like grasping at straws sir.

And last but not least, M$ likes to load their crap as services, that is, it will take both RAM and CPU cycles even being not using or "unopened".

So, crap always stinks, even being untouched ;)

Not true on the services part. The only applications that get loaded as a service are the ones Microsoft feels need to be available at boot time to perform a specific function or to assist with a specific function.

I disabled 7 services on Win 7 so i`m almost certain it will be more on win 10.
It speeds up boot time and saves ressources so i`m with Raistmer on that.

Well yes, disabling unnecessary service does tend to do that. That wasn't my argument, however.

Media sharing requires at Windows boot time to do nessesary things???
I would say you little cherry picking with services :P

And regarding impact - well, cause RAM involved it can be very noticeable impact when borderline situation occurs. Host w/o swapping and with swapping is 2 big differencies.

Bloat of registry, bloat of file system... all these things not improve performance.

EDIT: Also, just to make it more clear, RAM involved in that bloat is non-pageable one.

Media sharing requires at Windows boot time to do nessesary things???
I would say you little cherry picking with services :P

I said to perform specific functions or to assist with a specific function. ;-)

And regarding impact - well, cause RAM involved it can be very noticeable impact

Unopened apps consume no RAM. Unless you're still on about the negligible amount of RAM for MFT overhead processing... but again, that is not going to have a noticeable impact. But if you're saying all those services consume RAM, sure. No argument there. But have you seen the amounts? Quite small. Unless you're still expecting Windows to be as lean and cut as Linux, which it won't ever be. That's for techs to do.

when borderline situation occurs. Host w/o swapping and with swapping is 2 big differencies.

With a 1GB of RAM requirement for 32bit systems and 2GB of RAM for 64bit systems, not too many hosts fall into the swapping category. And if they do, then simply buy more RAM. Again, if you want a lean OS, you either need to go to Linux or cut the fat yourself.

Bloat of registry, bloat of file system... all these things not improve performance.

But what are we considering "bloat" here? I've talked to people that have said all that was required to run DOS was IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, and COMMAND.COM, that everything else was bloat.

So depending on your perspective, yeah, the apps will have an affect on filesystem, which in turn affects MFT, and each app needs to have it's space in the registry, and all of that must be processed by the CPU. But that's Windows. That's the Windows world. They're not going to go back to less features/services/apps/whatever.

Having decided to forgo the many features of Win 10 due to the high cost of privacy, I canceled the download but it keeps trying to download even though I chose "Hide" in the update list.

Any suggestions?

Have you Uninstalled the KB3035583 update?

I just did that, so far the Win 10 available icon has not re-appeared. The system immediately started looking for 'available updates' upon reboot which I stopped.

Thanks again.

The next time you manually "Check for Updates", it may still try to offer you the "Get Win 10" app and/or the Win 10 update itself. At that point, if you just hide both, you should be okay going forward. One thing I also did was to completely delete the two C:\\$[blahblahblah] folders that had the downloaded Win 10 files in them.

One annoying thing I've noticed with Windows Update, though, since reverting back to Win 7, is that each time I manually download an update (such as MSE definition files) is that the box that shows the download progress is now headed "Downloading Windows 10", even though it clearly isn't. (No harm done, but quite startling the first time I saw it!) I don't know if that's just because I reverted or if it will happen to anybody who actually had the Win 10 files downloaded, even if they didn't install it.

By the way, there seems to be a new, optional "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7" (KB2952664), released 2 days ago, that looks rather suspicious to me. I haven't hidden it yet, but I sure haven't downloaded it, either.

Someone mentioned that Win 10 would not import bookmarks, well here's how to do it...

Making it harder rather than easier to use

... if it works that is...

"This is where it gets a bit tricky. If you’re exporting favorites from Internet Explorer 11 from another PC, enter the Favorites tab, click the drop-down menu at the top, wade through the menus, and then export the file to C:\Users\YOURNAME\Documents\bookmark.htm. Copy it to the Windows 10 PC and try importing the favorites file. If that doesn’t work, import the favorites to IE11, then use Edge to copy the favorites over automatically from that browser."

... so Edge is not all that then MS?

Microsoft has never had a feature to import bookmarks from other browsers. You haven't even been able to do that with the last 4 IE versions either.

Microsoft has never had a feature to import bookmarks from other browsers. You haven't even been able to do that with the last 4 IE versions either.

Huh? Open browser, click on star, right click on the small arrow to the right of "add to favourites" & you will see Import & Export.

I stand corrected. :-D

I stand corrected. :-D

No, you were correct in one manner Oz. IE does NOT do what other browsers do, it has to be done manually in IE.

When I had serious issues with IE earlier this year, it got frustrating to the point that I installed Firefox. That immediately asked if I wanted to import my bookmarks - I said yes.

Shame IE cannot do that!

@ Jeff Buck I plan to uninstall the other updates mentioned earlier in this thread.

@ all was anyone still using IE? I switched to Firefox 3 years ago due to all the inter-connectivity occurring every time IE was open. Slowed everything down on my systems.

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