Well after a week of attempting to put Win 10 on my Win 7 Home laptop, I've given up the ghost.

Tried twice but each time something failed, what I don't know. Before attempting a third time, attempted the normal recovery procedure, that failed, so before using the recovery disks, removed HD & attached to desktop.

Both the recovery & "C" partitions snafu.

I did intend to eventually put Linux Mint on the laptop when Win 7 "died", however, done that now & laptop faster & more responsive than what it was at new, bye bye MS. I am not some dumb user & know what I've been doing since the days of DOS, think you need to get back to the drawing board.

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As for all the apps and tiles.. Microsoft is trying to unify all platforms so that in the future, it won't matter if you're on their gaming system, their phone OS, or a tablet, you will have the same experience on all. It's not a bad vision, but that does mean things will change, and need to change. That means people will complain and say things like "My desktop is not an XBox or a tablet!". Fair enough. But to unify the experience, it needs to happen.

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Greetings Ozz,

My cell and tablet are Android driven. Luckily, Micro$oft cannot touch them. :)

Understood. It's great to have options, isn't it? But that isn't going to stop Microsoft from trying to unify the experience for those sold on the Microsoft ecosystem. Again, it isn't a bad goal, nor does it make the changes "not good". It is just different and requires people to adjust to change... which goes back to: people hate change.

:-)

It is just different and requires people to adjust to change... which goes back to: people hate change.

:-)

Not always. Putting apps on an O/S that many do not want says a lot about a company. Shouldn't they be in the "Apps" store for people to decide what they want on their systems?

For Microsoft to implement the changes as you state, shouldn't they have made the transition to Win 10 a lot smoother than what is currently occurring with many?

If I want to give Win 10 a spin now, can I put it into VirtualBox as a VM Machine???

Sure you can install it in a VM such as VirtualBox.

Will I need a Key to Activate it, or can I just run it straight???

I guess it'll follow the same manner as previous Windows versions, where you can install it for 30 days without requiring to activate it.

...and an OLD NVIDIA GeForce card.

This one will not be used, as VirtualBox uses its own virtual videocard, which is a generic 2D/3D card that you can appoint a maximum of 128MB of memory to, or something alike.

While VBox will use the hardware videocard for OpenGL and DirectX 3D 8/9, it won't do OpenCL, CUDA or anything else.

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It is just different and requires people to adjust to change... which goes back to: people hate change.

:-)

Not always. Putting apps on an O/S that many do not want says a lot about a company. Shouldn't they be in the "Apps" store for people to decide what they want on their systems?

Then people would be complaining that they had to go install it after-the-fact when they didn't have to before. People have gotten used to their OS coming with certain apps, such as a media player for video and audio, or a calculator, etc. Again, the average tech will just install their own apps separately, and they still can.

It seems like a no-win proposition for the company.

For Microsoft to implement the changes as you state, shouldn't they have made the transition to Win 10 a lot smoother than what is currently occurring with many?

Truthfully... the number of complaints is just a fraction of those who had successful transitions. Squeaky wheel and all that.

A tech friend and I were just discussing our experiences with the Windows 10 upgrade and we were both quite impressed with the ease of the upgrade and how they truly made the experience something that anyone can do.

Perception is reality though. When your experience says it is bad, it is bad. It's all about context, and unfortunately statistics.

https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30/windows-10-seems-to-have-some-scary-privacy-defaults/

Go on, tell us what they really do? :-)

“Personalize your speech, typing, and inking input by sending contacts and calendar details, along with other associated input data to Microsoft”

“Let Windows and apps request your location, including location history, and send Microsoft and trusted partners some location data to improve location services.”

“Use page prediction to improve reading, speed up browsing, and make your overall experience better in Windows browsers. Your browsing data will be sent to Microsoft.“

“Automatically connect to suggested open hotspots. Not all networks are secure.”

“Automatically connect to networks shared by your contacts.”

“Send error and diagnostic information to Microsoft”
(This one cannot be disabled)

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*shrug* Pretty sure I said the privacy concerns were legit, if not overblown. Not sure why you think I would be in a position to tell you "what they really do".

10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.

No no Skynet is a machine that is run by the Air Forces weather department in Omaha, NE. At least that is the story I got from my friend that was in the Air Force & set up the system.

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Also great image. Big image though, lots of sideways scrolling.
All the hidden stuff.

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Greetings,

The one thing that truly pisses me off about this whole Windoze 10 fiasco is this:

An Operating System does not need access to my FaceBook page whether or not I am using FB. That's just a bunch of BS crap...!

All an Operating System should be concerned with is the PC it is running on and maintaining said PC. It does not need all the other crap.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.

No no Skynet is a machine that is run by the Air Forces weather department in Omaha, NE. At least that is the story I got from my friend that was in the Air Force & set up the system.

I was of course referring to the 'Skynet' in Terminator Genisys and the manner in which it is determined to interconnect everything, and in doing so, have it all under it's control.

10 seems bent on acting in such a manner. At least folks are reporting opt-outs that should allow those that are in the know to disable at least most of this nefarious behavior.

For those who are not so informed, welcome to Skynet.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Your privacy is important to us.
Yes, because of the various different ways in which they can abuse it.

The data we collect depends on the services and features you use, and includes the following.

Name and contact data. We collect your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, and other similar contact data.

Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.

Demographic data. We collect data about you such as your age, gender, country and preferred language.

Interests and favorites. We collect data about your interests and favorites, such as the teams you follow in a sports app, the stocks you track in a finance app, or the favorite cities you add to a weather app. In addition to those you explicitly provide, your interests and favorites may also be inferred or derived from other data we collect.

Payment data. We collect data necessary to process your payment if you make purchases, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number), and the security code associated with your payment instrument.

Usage data. We collect data about how you interact with our services. This includes data, such as the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter. This also includes data about your device, including IP address, device identifiers, regional and language settings, and data about the network, operating system, browser or other software you use to connect to the services. And it also includes data about the performance of the services and any problems you experience with them.

Contacts and relationships. We collect data about your contacts and relationships if you use a Microsoft service to manage contacts, or to communicate or interact with other people or organizations.

Location data. We collect data about your location, which can be either precise or imprecise. Precise location data can be Global Position System (GPS) data, as well as data identifying nearby cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots, we collect when you enable location-based services or features. Imprecise location data includes, for example, a location derived from your IP address or data that indicates where you are located with less precision, such as at a city or postal code level.

Content. We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. This includes: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive. It also includes the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services, such as the:

* subject line and body of an email,
* text or other content of an instant message,
* audio and video recording of a video message, and
* audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

Additionally, when you contact us, such as for customer support, phone conversations or chat sessions with our representatives may be monitored and recorded. If you enter our retail stores, your image may be captured by our security cameras.

You have choices about the data we collect. When you are asked to provide personal data, you may decline. But if you choose not to provide data that is necessary to provide a service, you may not be able to use some features or services.

But at least all would-be terrorists will think twice about putting Windows 10 on their devices, as it's one sure-fire way of getting an uninvited bomb in your neck. I liked that one in the image about Microsoft sending data about your voice-input back to HQ, because using it this way the NSA doesn't really need a back-door for your OS/device, or break into nearby communication centers anymore. Device data, who you call, where from, what time, for how long, how many times a day/week, and who knows, what you're actually saying? All sent to MS, because you acknowledged -amongst others- the above Privacy Statement.

Yeah, no, WindOhNoze 10 isn't coming on any of my systems. Not until I find a proxy I can put between it and the internet, or in other ways disable the communications it still seems to find necessary to have with home.

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Well Snowden let the cat out of the bag, so MS thought to be the first to do so blatantly.

No Wikileaks for MS - Their reply is "Well, you authorised it" & we get paid for it :-)

it is absolutely rediculous what microsoft does ...why do they need my contact data location and an advertising id in order to use the voice feature and why in hell do i need a damn microsoft account to use any of that crap

if i don't use it i want to uninstall it which again is impossible
i don't want people i sure as hell do not want a advertising id and to top it off i want to uninstall xbox cortana news 3d builder , contact support get office and especially groove music and bing maps one note and one drive same with weather

it all takes up cpu cycles i can use for something else and not their crap that i did not ask for nor want

how hard is it to have everything checked on install and show a config page like they do for the privacy stuff ...use express or customize
Problem solved ....do no force your crap on me

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.

No no Skynet is a machine that is run by the Air Forces weather department in Omaha, NE. At least that is the story I got from my friend that was in the Air Force & set up the system.

I was of course referring to the 'Skynet' in Terminator Genisys and the manner in which it is determined to interconnect everything, and in doing so, have it all under it's control.

10 seems bent on acting in such a manner. At least folks are reporting opt-outs that should allow those that are in the know to disable at least most of this nefarious behavior.

For those who are not so informed, welcome to Skynet.

I know. He named the system that thinking of the Terminator movies.

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http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Your privacy is important to us.
Yes, because of the various different ways in which they can abuse it.

The data we collect depends on the services and features you use, and includes the following.

Name and contact data. We collect your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, and other similar contact data.

Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.

Demographic data. We collect data about you such as your age, gender, country and preferred language.

Interests and favorites. We collect data about your interests and favorites, such as the teams you follow in a sports app, the stocks you track in a finance app, or the favorite cities you add to a weather app. In addition to those you explicitly provide, your interests and favorites may also be inferred or derived from other data we collect.

Payment data. We collect data necessary to process your payment if you make purchases, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number), and the security code associated with your payment instrument.

Usage data. We collect data about how you interact with our services. This includes data, such as the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter. This also includes data about your device, including IP address, device identifiers, regional and language settings, and data about the network, operating system, browser or other software you use to connect to the services. And it also includes data about the performance of the services and any problems you experience with them.

Contacts and relationships. We collect data about your contacts and relationships if you use a Microsoft service to manage contacts, or to communicate or interact with other people or organizations.

Location data. We collect data about your location, which can be either precise or imprecise. Precise location data can be Global Position System (GPS) data, as well as data identifying nearby cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots, we collect when you enable location-based services or features. Imprecise location data includes, for example, a location derived from your IP address or data that indicates where you are located with less precision, such as at a city or postal code level.

Content. We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. This includes: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive. It also includes the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services, such as the:

* subject line and body of an email,
* text or other content of an instant message,
* audio and video recording of a video message, and
* audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

Additionally, when you contact us, such as for customer support, phone conversations or chat sessions with our representatives may be monitored and recorded. If you enter our retail stores, your image may be captured by our security cameras.

You have choices about the data we collect. When you are asked to provide personal data, you may decline. But if you choose not to provide data that is necessary to provide a service, you may not be able to use some features or services.

But at least all would-be terrorists will think twice about putting Windows 10 on their devices, as it's one sure-fire way of getting an uninvited bomb in your neck. I liked that one in the image about Microsoft sending data about your voice-input back to HQ, because using it this way the NSA doesn't really need a back-door for your OS/device, or break into nearby communication centers anymore. Device data, who you call, where from, what time, for how long, how many times a day/week, and who knows, what you're actually saying? All sent to MS, because you acknowledged -amongst others- the above Privacy Statement.

Yeah, no, WindOhNoze 10 isn't coming on any of my systems. Not until I find a proxy I can put between it and the internet, or in other ways disable the communications it still seems to find necessary to have with home.

I think for most of then you would have to sign in with a Live ID account. Using a local machine account much of that information isn't even present on the system.

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Well, it doesn't look like the rollback to Win 7 is going to be successful. It started off very smoothly. Just select the option to revert back to Win 7, check off one or more reasons why you want to roll back (and add a few choice comments, if you want to), confirm your choice and off it goes. For about 10 minutes it seemed like it was chugging along quite nicely, then performed the first reboot...and seems to have been stuck in an endless 100-second reboot cycle ever since (about an hour and 20 minutes at this writing).

After each reboot, it first presents a screen with the blue Windows logo above the little circling executive pacifier. After about 30 seconds of that, an empty window briefly flashes, followed by an "Attempting to recover installation.." message for about a half second, followed by "Restoring your previous version of Windows..." for about 10 seconds. Rinse and repeat.

So, unless it's restoring files one at a time with each reboot, I'm of the opinion that it's just plain stuck, encountering some sort of non-standard condition for which Microsoft's developers didn't bother to include an error handler.

I figure 2 hours will be about my limit for doing the loop-de-loop. Then perhaps I'll see if my Win 7 install disk is capable of effecting any repairs. After that, I suppose, it'll be back to good 'ol Win XP!

EDIT: OMG......apparently it was restoring files one-by-one. Win 7 is back. It even restored the "Get Win 10" icon to the task bar. Yeah, right! ;^)

if i don't use it i want to uninstall it which again is impossible
i don't want people i sure as hell do not want a advertising id and to top it off i want to uninstall xbox cortana news 3d builder , contact support get office and especially groove music and bing maps one note and one drive same with weather

it all takes up cpu cycles i can use for something else and not their crap that i did not ask for nor want

Unopened apps do not consume CPU cycles. If you don't want to use it, don't use it, but it won't consume RAM or CPU if unopened.

...It even restored the "Get Win 10" icon to the task bar. Yeah, right! ;^)

Just in case you ever get that dream again and reconsider. You do know which hoops to jump through to remove that button? :)

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Well. My friend made a complete system image of his 8.1 install because he was going to try doing a clean install from ISO of 10 to see if that resolved any issues. Finished the system image, and then started the ISO download and went to bed.

After about two hours, he woke up because he heard the motherboard do a POST beep and then just rolled-over and went back to sleep. Woke up this morning and turned the monitor on.. "Welcome to Windows 10! Let's get started..."


Apparently, if you go and download the ISO, it will automatically install 10 without any permission or input if you leave it sitting there for an hour or so. Fortunately, it installed to the 128gb SSD instead of one of the three platter drives, or the 480gb SSD, but unfortunately, it did an express install, so he spent the next two hours turning all of the privacy violations off.

Then installed one of the games he was having issues with before, and that works now. So apparently either drivers go updated slightly, or doing an upgrade from an older OS isn't very clean/smooth (duh.. that's why I've never liked upgrading.. it seems like putting a bandaid on top of another bandaid, and then holding all of that on with a piece of tape).

He's going to keep 10 for the time being though. And good news, Hamachi had a new build released today (August 3rd). The entire release notes for build 383 is: "This release fixes adapter issues after upgrading to Windows 10." So at least there's that one single issue resolved. Only a few more to go.

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)