Strange, but I thought that hysteria over the device driver updates that popped up over the weekend was debunked fairly quickly. I found a couple references to already existing "Device Installation Settings" in Win 10, either from System Properties, Computer Properties, or Devices and Printers. I don't have Win 10 yet on any of my boxes, but here's a couple screen shots that I saw a few days ago.

This is absolutely correct. This option, to install or not Device Drivers, is available in both the pro and home versions. (I am running both versions and the option is there is both)

Also found at: Control Panel/System/Advanced System Settings/Advanced/Hardware/Device Installation Settings

I am very glad to know this. For the dozens of articles I have read, this is the first I knew about it. I may well have missed it in this thread, as I am at work..... :D

Steve

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OK around 2 hours after I started the download I have a Windows 10 desktop.

Interesting note, no videos drivers were installed by the upgrade.

They may be installed by updates but I decided to manually add.

I went to the Nvidia website and downloaded the Win 10 drivers 353.30

I can now view my screen without have to step back several feet :-)

First impressions, It's Windows 8.1 with a start button!!

Boinc seems OK and is reporting my GT 640 correctly.

Can't try it yes as I assume the dbase is still offline.

Everything I have tried so far works, I did have to re-sync One Drive as I believe there is a new version for Win 10.

I will continue to explore and report.

This is the machine concerned, so nothing special and if Win 10 works OK on this it should work on almost anything!!

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6908844

PS Chris no one is asking you to do anything. I was just saying why I am happy to be the guinea pig that's all.

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You made your views known quite clearly often enough, so for once, put a zip in it.

It seems there are a lot of grumpy Windows bashers here. I've been playing with Win 10 for a few months now and I really like it. It seems that many of the derogatory comments are based on ignorance. Even in this thread people are posting information about settings and installations and how to, do in general. I have been reading a great deal about Win 10 also, it has been received very well by even some admitted critics. Anyhow, I'll be upgrading my tablet immediately, my Win 7 machine not so, simply for the time to backup and prep for the upgrade. Otherwise I am looking forward to it.

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I've been finding Win10 pretty slick for a few updates. I managed to skip 8/8.1 altogether, and haven't found it much of a frustration/learning curve. That could be partly because I did a clean install of the tech preview on a new samsung SSD. Though it's only an old core2duo system (not crunching with this one yet) it feels fast and clean compared to the Win7 main dev system that crunches a little. I'll probably look at migrating my netbook on the weekend, if there aren't any hardware limitations that would prevent it. I have a Mac Pro on the way for development. Eventually I'll probably stick an SSD with win10 on that too, having my first decent workstation grade gear, but will try to get the most out of OSX on that up to the point I want to pull my eyes out first.

[Edit:] one of the gotchas is that office365 seems pretty pricey to me, at a monthly cost of $9 for personal use, or $12/month for 5 machine home use license. Mind you I don't use office enough to justify that, but can easily see that many would. It wouldn't make sense for MS to charge much for Win10, since it provides access to the app store. Keeping it free would make the most sense to me. I would go so far as to say if they open-sourced the kernal and key libraries/drivers (making it really free), then they'd make more market share, but then probably too big of a jump to make at once...

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not a big windows fan but their new it's free tactic is great.....give it a year and the new tune will be : Now fork out 199$ a year or you loose your stuff


ransomware anyone?

No, if you read the entire thread, that's already been covered. Microsoft has already announced that Windows 10 will be free for all supported versions of Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 for the life of the device you register it on. "The life of the device" has still yet to be defined as it is a bit ambiguous.

There is no bait and switch. They will not be charging a yearly fee after the free upgrade. They may eventually offer a pay-as-you-go version like Office 365, but that has yet to be announced.

Sounds like the OS will not be transferable to another PC, like OEM is, that's why I bought Retail Win 7 Pro x64 discs with numbers. What if you need a new motherboard or a hdd or something else that is critical? I do, but I can't work on it until I feel up to it and so far I know what to do, I just don't have the energy for that and if it's more than pulling the battery out, I'm sunk until at least December or longer since My TV died recently and I need to replace that too and I don't have the income for all these repairs......


Aaarrrggghhh!!!

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Well that was less than stella!!

Having already installed the 353.30 drivers from the nvidia web site, all was fine

Foolishly I then checked for updates and Windows decided to install the 353.62 drivers, not really sure what happened but I just got a black screen, luckily Team Viewer worked fine and I was able to reboot, remove all traces of all Nvidia drivers, then run the update blocker from MS and reinstall the Nvidia drivers.

So there is still a problem, however the update blocker seems to be a way round. I suspect because of this we will eventually see a way to block specific updates rather than an "add on".

Otherwise I am quite impressed, it seems to have lots more settings and tweaks, however I don't really use that machine much and I currently cant sit near it.

Hopefully my laptop will get the update soon as that is the one I really want to test it on.

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Well that was less than stella!!

Having already installed the 353.30 drivers from the nvidia web site, all was fine

Foolishly I then checked for updates and Windows decided to install the 353.62 drivers, not really sure what happened but I just got a black screen, luckily Team Viewer worked fine and I was able to reboot, remove all traces of all Nvidia drivers, then run the update blocker from MS and reinstall the Nvidia drivers.

So there is still a problem, however the update blocker seems to be a way round. I suspect because of this we will eventually see a way to block specific updates rather than an "add on".

So, did you try simply changing the Device Installation Settings that I referenced in my earlier post this morning?

My notebook is downloading Win 10 right now but I'm not going to instal it yet, will test Win 10 on another laptop first. But won't the Notebook get a new Seti Computer ID so that the WUs in cache will be lost? Guess one should empty the cache first?

Grin.

We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.

Or:
We will know when you're using a pirated copy of Win10. Then we will tell the world.
After that we will send our lawyers to your door, because we know where you live.

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Luckily Google owns all my emails (Gmail account), all my private communications (Android telephone) and I have neigh on nothing in private folders, so nothing to worry here. :)

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My notebook is downloading Win 10 right now but I'm not going to instal it yet, will test Win 10 on another laptop first. But won't the Notebook get a new Seti Computer ID so that the WUs in cache will be lost? Guess one should empty the cache first?

I did not even stop SETI from running, just ran the update and nothing was lost. SETI stopped just as if I had done a power down and started where it had left off after the logon.

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I grabbed the "Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2 (ARM)" version when I was getting the standard .isos at work. Now I just need a Raspberry Pi 2 to install it on.

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I'm downloading the ISO from microsoft now and the media creation tool so i can try it on a machine that i don't care about

we'll see how it runs

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I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap

so after going back to windows 8.1 on two computers i decided to give windows 10 another go. the technical preview is no longer available so i got an iso. just to see what would happen i skipped the product key but everything still appears to work.

i have a theory what went wrong last time. earlier this month AMD finally announced windows 10 drivers so i installed the technical preview. a few days ago microsoft's newest drivers installed but the procedure wasn't clean as it probably conflicted with remnants from AMD's drivers from earlier this month, hence the problems that i experienced. so today i just installed from scratch and it's on microsoft's newest driver. i have one computer on beta right now and i'm in the process of putting windows 10 back on the other one.

http://time.com/3977862/windows-10-solitaire/

Unbelievable.

Steve

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Well that was less than stella!!

Having already installed the 353.30 drivers from the nvidia web site, all was fine

Foolishly I then checked for updates and Windows decided to install the 353.62 drivers, not really sure what happened but I just got a black screen, luckily Team Viewer worked fine and I was able to reboot, remove all traces of all Nvidia drivers, then run the update blocker from MS and reinstall the Nvidia drivers.

So there is still a problem, however the update blocker seems to be a way round. I suspect because of this we will eventually see a way to block specific updates rather than an "add on".

So, did you try simply changing the Device Installation Settings that I referenced in my earlier post this morning?

Well it was a bit late by then as they are installation settings, as far as I can see they stop Windows trying to install a generic driver on a new equipment installation, like the first time you power up after installing something new, nothing to do with updates.

Could be wrong, but that is how I read it.

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http://time.com/3977862/windows-10-solitaire/

Unbelievable.

Steve

Also, if you do a clean install, you will have to pay for the Windows 10 DVD Player app:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications#featdep

•If you have Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8 Pro with Media Center, or Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center and you install Windows 10, Windows Media Center will be removed. For a limited time (the “eligible period”), on systems upgraded to Windows 10 from one of these older versions of Windows (a “qualified system”), a DVD playback app (“windows DVD player”) will be installed. Note: the Windows DVD Player may not be installed immediately; it will be installed after the first successful Windows Update. The Windows DVD Player will be available for purchase from the Window Store for systems that (i) are qualified systems but the eligible period lapsed; (ii) are non-qualified systems; or (iii) were qualified systems but windows 10 was subsequently clean installed (in this case, Windows Update cannot detect that it was previously a qualified system).

I stopped using WMC since I started using XBMC (now Kodi), so that bypasses that problem.

here is another question

now that win 10 is installd and running how do i get the key if i have to reinstall

EDIT:
Easy to get the new key
nirsoft has a lil app

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html#DownloadLinks

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