A question for you guys testing it.

From what MS is telling us is the Pro version will be able to run 2 VM's and the Enterprise version has no limit. So does that mean you can only run 2 VirtualBox tasks at a time on Pro?

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Steve

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I'm good with Win 7 until they pull the plug like they did to XP.

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What a kerfuffle!

Shame when the licensing and upgrade conditions are more complicated and byzantine than the OS itself!!

I'm still not sure if the various upgrade stories are a trick of viral Marketing, incompetence, or just an inevitable side effect of the forever expanding EULAs to bind you forevermore. :-(


There just has to be a better way ;-)

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Greetings Chris,

I have just sorted out a laptop with Windows 8 on it for a friend that had various problems on it, and what a pain in the butt that was to navigate around it and try to drive it, and fix it.

Tell you what, I'm going to start collecting win 7 Professional licences at silly money as of now. Microsoft can stick Win 8, 8.1, and 10 up where the sun doesn't shine. It is a load of rubbish full stop finish.

Unless you are running a pre-release version of Win10, you should not include it in the statement above. I have read good things about Win10 and some bad, but just because we all know that 8 and 8.1 are trash in no way means that 10 will be also.

I challenge anyone in the world to compare a properly set up Win 7 pro machine against a new laptop with win 8 or 10 on it. In my opinion it's simply a no contest.

See response statements above.

I am advising all my friends, family, acquaintances, and colleagues to stay with Win 7 which will be officially supported until January 14, 2020.

To each his/her own. But, just because you had a problem with 8 and/or 8.1 does not mean that EVERYONE will have a problem with 10.

Sorry Microsoft, the day that Bill Gates walked away in disgust to concentrate upon his and Belindas Foundation, was the day that you lost the plot and screwed the company.

I have to agree with you on this one. :)

Linux is just petrolheads crap, if IBM re-introduced and updated OS2 as a serious contender, bypassing eComStation, they might just get some business coming their way.

I'm not sure what you mean by the highlighted text, but if you are calling Linux 'crap', I disagree 100%. In my many uses of many flavors of Linux, I never once had a problem such as those I have and had with the many versions of Windows. And I doubt IBM will ever come back with OS2.

I suggest putting an end to the pre-judgement of Win10 until the final release next month, especially if you have not had any hands-on experience with the pre-release versions. :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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I have just sorted out a laptop with Windows 8 on it for a friend that had various problems on it, and what a pain in the butt that was to navigate around it and try to drive it, and fix it.

Tell you what, I'm going to start collecting win 7 Professional licences at silly money as of now. Microsoft can stick Win 8, 8.1, and 10 up where the sun doesn't shine. It is a load of rubbish full stop finish.

I challenge anyone in the world to compare a properly set up Win 7 pro machine against a new laptop with win 8 or 10 on it. In my opinion it's simply a no contest.

I understand your exact frustration. I experienced much the same when Windows 8 first came out. There were so many foundational changes to the OS with absolutely no visual queues to help even a seasoned user navigate around efficiently. I had to re-learn Windows and all it's new quirks and gotchas.

Windows 8.1 fixed many of those complaints, but still some quirks were there. The OS was at least usable for anyone willing to learn some new tricks. I still feel that Windows 10 addresses many of those quirks in 8 & 8.1 and so far I prefer it over those two, and I do prefer 10's 'snappines' over 7.

Again though, totally understand your frustration with the OS. It is warranted.

It's nice that MS gives you W10 for free if you bought W7/8.1, but the way they do it is horrible. Why not just make W7/8.1 product keys valid for W10 and provide a ISO download?

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I've had the requisite KB needed for the upgrade offer on board since May and I just now got the taskbar upgrade icon on one computer. Still nothing yet showing up on my other computer. They are taking their time rolling out the offers it seems.

Keith

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I have just found this article on Yahoo tech Windows 10 will be sold on a Flash Drive I wonder if it will happen and other countries besides Germany. Microsoft have neither confirmed or denied this

Edit I reserved my copy of Windows this morning

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Regarding the 'snappiness' differences.. fundamentally, under the hood, vista/7/8/8.1/10 are generally the same. The major difference is vista/7 were done mostly with .NET programming, and back when 8 was intended to only be for tablets and other touch-screen devices, they needed to make it fast and efficient on the hardware, so they went back to C/C++ like 2000 and XP were. The processing overhead difference between those two languages is a night-and-day difference. (I don't have a source for the language thing.. someone told me that years ago and it seemed legit, so I've been running with that ever since. Actually.. I think I might have read that on the forum here back when 8 was still in Beta.)

8.1 was mostly just a GUI overhaul to make it easier to use on devices that have these esoteric, mystical contraptions called a 'keyboard' and a 'mouse' and lacked a touch screen.

10's primary goal is to take the pros of 7, the pros of 8/8.1, and put them together, with almost none of the cons from either one.

So it looks and feels like 7, but is snappy and efficient like 8, and has some of the cool stuff from 8, all in an interface that feels almost identical to 7.

I said it long ago in this thread, but I've only begrudgingly moved up to 7 because I was essentially left with no choice but to finally upgrade and let go of XP. I used XP up until January 2012. And I didn't move up to XP from 2000 until somewhere in 200...8, I think it was.

That's not to say that I'm ready to jump onto 10.. I'm going to wait a few months for the big bugs to be ironed out and to wait for the dust to settle from the release a bit.. but I'm not going to be waiting several years to finally move up.

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The single thing that stops me from upgrading/reservation of upgrade is uncertainty in the future of Win10 successor and how it will be implemented over Win10.
As long as there is at least some probability that win10 will be mandatory updated to "Windows" at some point of time with month fee I will not risk to lose existing Win7 licenses.
But will install and use Win10 on new configs, w/o any upgrades.

I've had the requisite KB needed for the upgrade offer on board since May and I just now got the taskbar upgrade icon on one computer. Still nothing yet showing up on my other computer. They are taking their time rolling out the offers it seems.

Keith

I have 3 Win 7 pc's, none had the icon, and 1 has had the kb3035583 update since the end of March, the other 2 didn't have it at all. Have just found an installable copy of kb3035583, installed it on both pc's and the icon has now appeared.

P.

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The single thing that stops me from upgrading/reservation of upgrade is uncertainty in the future of Win10 successor and how it will be implemented over Win10.
As long as there is at least some probability that win10 will be mandatory updated to "Windows" at some point of time with month fee I will not risk to lose existing Win7 licenses.
But will install and use Win10 on new configs, w/o any upgrades.

Are you sure you loose the possibillity to reinstall W7 after you upgraded to W10?

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Unless you are running a pre-release version of Win10, you should not include it in the statement above. I have read good things about Win10 and some bad, but just because we all know that 8 and 8.1 are trash in no way means that 10 will be also.

Hi Siran,

Yes I have to agree that your response is a reasonable and fair comment, but what I said is excusable given MS's history of releases. They are convinced that they HAVE to release a new OS every 2-3 years to maintain market share and remain in business. This is what happens when accountants run a company instead of technologists and engineers. You can bet your bottom dollar that somewhere in Redmond there are people working on Windows 11 and 12, or whatever the marketing guys decide to call it in years to come.

They in turn will be talking to the mainstream corporate buyers who form probably 75% of their customer base. Non technical finance directors who wouldn't know a router if they tripped over one, can't use a computer themselves, but control the purse strings. "Oh wouldn't it be nice if Win 11 did this and looked like that ...." OK Sir we will build that in for you.

Real life end users like us don't get a look in, and as MS thinks, why should we, we don't contribute enough to their profits for them to want to listen to us. And they know damn well that it IS a Wintel world whether we like it or not.

I don't disagree with your assessments about who controls the cashflow and dollars in the corporate world, but I do think you underestimate the power and influence tech and engineers can have with the bean counters. I only have to mention the failure that was Vista (unfortunately, in my humble opinion) that proves this. If the tech crowd collectively says something Microsoft releases is crap (and you don't appear to be overtly biased against Microsoft), it can have a major impact on Microsoft's products and releases.

The bean counters rule .....

MS leapfrogs on OS releases popularity, leaving out the corporate NT and 2000 versions.

Win 3.11 WFWG - good
Win 95 - Good
Win 98 - crap
Win 98SE - good
Millenium - crap (marketing exercise to get money from year 2000)
XP - good
Vista - Crap
Win 7 - good
Win 8 - crap
Win 8.1 - better but crap.
Win 10 - expected to be good

MS know that they have the corporate and consumer market by the balls, and therefore they are in a position to do what they want. Ok they were forced to unbundle Win Explorer from Windows, but a small price to pay.

I would say 8.1 is crap, but someone used Poo Pourri so it isn't as bad.
Windows 10 still has some crap things in it, but may be tolerable.

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I've had the requisite KB needed for the upgrade offer on board since May and I just now got the taskbar upgrade icon on one computer. Still nothing yet showing up on my other computer. They are taking their time rolling out the offers it seems.

Keith

I have 3 Win 7 pc's, none had the icon, and 1 has had the kb3035583 update since the end of March, the other 2 didn't have it at all. Have just found an installable copy of kb3035583, installed it on both pc's and the icon has now appeared.

P.

This PC has that kb3035583 installed and still no icon, My video nvidia driver is 266.58 whql, I wonder does that have something to do with this?

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The bean counters rule .....

MS leapfrogs on OS releases popularity, leaving out the corporate NT and 2000 versions.

Win 3.11 WFWG - good
Win 95 - Good
Win 98 - crap
Win 98SE - good
Millenium - crap (marketing exercise to get money from year 2000)
XP - good
Vista - Crap
Win 7 - good
Win 8 - crap
Win 8.1 - better but crap.
Win 10 - expected to be good

MS know that they have the corporate and consumer market by the balls, and therefore they are in a position to do what they want. Ok they were forced to unbundle Win Explorer from Windows, but a small price to pay.

I would say 8.1 is crap, but someone used Poo Pourri so it isn't as bad.
Windows 10 still has some crap things in it, but may be tolerable.

Remember. XP was not universally accepted, until SP1.

Yes I remember. I didn't go from 98SE to XP until 2004. Just before SP2 came out.

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What about windows NT? That was a good operating System.[
Never mind, i saw, you mentioned it.

Both sytems have kb3035583 installed and are basically identical. Both running Nvidia 350.12 and I don't think the video driver has anything to do with the offer. Just have to wait and see on the last system. Won't panic till 7/29.

Keith

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Both sytems have kb3035583 installed and are basically identical. Both running Nvidia 350.12 and I don't think the video driver has anything to do with the offer. Just have to wait and see on the last system. Won't panic till 7/29.

Keith

I wouldn't panic until 2016/07/29 if you are wanting to get the update for free.

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