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Delhi rapist says victim shouldn't have fought back

In 2012 an Indian student was violently raped on a moving bus in Delhi and died of horrific internal injuries. Leslee Udwin spoke to one of the rapists on death row while spending two years making a film about the case. She came away shocked by India's treatment of women - but inspired by those seeking change...



All a question of questionable culture?...

All a question of better education and better values towards women?...


All in our only one world,
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I saw that & as the project just went into it's outage, bookmarked for posting later. You beat me to it. HOWEVER, why are you constantly bringing up other countries problems & failing to show your own?

Case in point

All a question of questionable culture?...

YES, very questionable! Especially in light of this!

I saw that & as the project just went into it's outage, bookmarked for posting later. You beat me to it. HOWEVER, why are you constantly bringing up other countries problems & failing to show your own?

Case in point

That is something that has already gained prominence such that something positive is already being done. Hopefully our culture is such that everyone is quite rightly abhorred and will do something positive for the better of all...

All a question of questionable culture?...

YES, very questionable! Especially in light of this!

To me that shows an unfortunate worrying reluctance to learn and to move to better living...

Meanwhile, hopefully continued comment can stir more positive action sooner...

The media and comment can be surprisingly effective...


All a game of education and culture...?

Is there a better way?...

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All a game of education and culture...?

Is there a better way?...

If there is, it's hiding somewhere...

...as the thread title shows...

...Rape/Slavery has been occurring for thousands of years. What makes you think it'll ever change?

India in the news still...

Delhi rapist says victim shouldn't have fought back

In 2012 an Indian student was violently raped on a moving bus in Delhi and died of horrific internal injuries. Leslee Udwin spoke to one of the rapists on death row while spending two years making a film about the case. She came away shocked by India's treatment of women - but inspired by those seeking change...
All a question of questionable culture?...

All a question of better education and better values towards women?...

All in our only one world,
Martin

While much of what he says is abhorrent, i fear he may have a point with this line:
Chillingly, he went on: "The death penalty will make things even more dangerous for girls. Now when they rape, they won't leave the girl like we did. They will kill her. Before, they would rape and say, 'Leave her, she won't tell anyone.' Now when they rape, especially the criminal types, they will just kill the girl. Death."

Some Indian men have a serious attitude problem!

The other lawyer, AP Singh, had said in a previous televised interview: "If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight."
And he's a lawyer?! It beggars belief!

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OT, and this society has nuclear weapons .......

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... Some Indian men have a serious attitude problem!

The other lawyer, AP Singh, had said in a previous televised interview: "If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight."
And he's a lawyer?! It beggars belief!

Such is the horror of the extremes of religious (mal-)'interpretation' of some words such as 'virtue' and 'honour'...

Such extremism calls into very bad question the whole value of religion there...

Where is the outcry and moderating voices of whatever leaders and 'elders' there?

Where is the sympathy and love for those so abused?...


No honour for any supposed men there at all.


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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/03/03/North-Korean-women-defectors-risk-abduction-sexual-assault-in-China-and-North-Korea/7861425438783/?spt=mps&or=4

North Korean women defectors risk abduction, sexual assault in China and North Korea
Women survivors of North Korea's Great Famine face more hurdles than North Korean men, with human trafficking, sexual assault and forced abortions cited as leading forms of abuse.
By Elizabeth Shim | March 3, 2015 at 10:48 PM
SEOUL, March 3 (UPI) -- One woman said she was the victim of human trafficking in China. Another confessed she picked her way through dog feces to find undigested kernels of corn for food. Yet a third woman said she watched helplessly as her army colleagues were forced to grant sexual favors to more powerful men in North Korea's ruling elite.

These were just some of the haunting tales North Korean women defectors told an audience of fellow defectors and members of the South Korean press corps on Tuesday, South Korean newspaper Donga Ilbo reported.

Song Kyong-ok, 28, said her troubles began during the height of North Korea's Great Famine. Song said she was forced into the streets to beg for food, finding it in the unlikeliest of places -- such as unpicked fecal matter containing edible kernels of corn.

In a separate, televised interview with South Korea's TV Chosun on Tuesday, Song said her family's close proximity to the Chinese border allowed her mother to take short trips out of North Korea to procure food. During her time in China, Song said, her mother may have encountered Christian missionaries.

Song said she was only 10 when her mother was taken away for praying, an act of treason.

Song left North Korea in 2004 when she was 18 and eventually found asylum in South Korea in 2008.

Kim Eun-mi, 33, said she was tricked into abduction and was sold by a broker to a Chinese man who forced her into a marriage.

In a televised interview on Tuesday, tears streamed down Kim's face as she recounted tales of being beaten and left for dead in northeast China when she tried to escape.

Ahn Hye-kyung, 39, served in a nursing unit of the North Korean military unit 567. She said a friend in the same unit endured a forced abortion after performing a sexual favor for a senior North Korean official. On television Ahn said her friend disappeared after the abortion and does not know of her whereabouts.

"In North Korea women don't receive sex education. Nor are they taught basic concepts of women's rights," Ahn said.

Ahn said women are commonly shamed for unwanted pregnancies and for being victims of sexual assault.

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Ah the glorious British Empire...

Oxford
Rotherham
BBC
Westminster
& all the others yet to be uncovered

...1947 try 2015!

And people still deride the British Empire in general and the Raj in particular. The simple fact of the matter is that if Britain still controlled India, none of this would be happening, nor FGM, nor arranged marriages either, and all the rest of it. We got talked into letting them go their own way in 1947. It was the biggest mistake that Britain ever made, and their female population at home, and world at large has suffered ever since.

Yeah no, I call bs on that. You can bet that all of this still happened even under British occupation. Sorry, but a colonial administration loyal to a country thousands of miles away cannot possibly hope to effectively police 1 billion people, or put an effective end to century old traditions.

Not to mention that Sirius has a point. How can you hope to stop rape in India if you allow systematic abuse to happen in the UK itself? There are similar attitudes towards rape in both India and the UK, at least at the official level. The patriarchy is alive and well in both countries.

In the UK, we do not, at least in these times, endemically treat women like that. Of course abuse and rape goes on in the UK, but that is not across the board in British society as it is in India, and that is the point that you are missing. The UK will try to stamp it out where ever it finds it, the trouble is finding it, abusers and rapists are hardly likely to advertise themselves are they?

India allows it and accepts it as business as normal, whatever their "official" stance against it may be. Their 2011 census put their population at 1.2 billion people. This article is a positive comment upon it all, but not necessarily realistic. I still say that it the British still ran the place there wouldn't be so much of it going on, and I stand by that.

You really lost the right to say that after Rotherham, Oxford and Jimmy Savile, where the authorities were informed about rape and sexual abuse but purposefully looked the other way because it didn't fit their political view or it was to much hassle to go after a famous person.

Which was what Sirius was getting at as well.

I haven't lost the right to say anything here, if it just happens to be what you personally disagree with, then that is your problem not mine. What you are losing is your credibility around here.

That is where you let yourself down continuously! Your links show that. What you are failing to see is the fact that the authorities covered it up.

The GBE is dead & buried, unfortunately, it still has it's dinosaurs in modern times!

To differentiate between India & the GBE by a so called mature adult when the topic is Rape/Child Abuse/Slavery really says much about that person.

Answer the question! Was Rotherham covered up?

Earlier in this thread...

"Lovely" police officers

Of course anything like that is horrific and cannot be excused in any way whatsoever, but that is not endemic to every town in Britain, nor to every entertainer either. It was nothing whatsoever to do with "too much hassle" as you so glibly put it, it was just simply initially unbelievable at the time. But when it was looked into in depth it all came out. Want to comment upon Rolf Harris? Cliff Richard?

1) Rape isn't endemic in every Indian town either.

2) In all those cases the authorities were aware of the widespread rape and abuse, but did absolutely nothing for a very long time. In Savile's case they only started after he had died, even though they had know about it since the 70's.

In Rotherham there had been multiple inquiries about this in 2002, 2003 and 2006, all reporting findings about widespread abuse and rape of minors, and all of those were suppressed. And the police there thought of the victims as 'undesirables' which is why they never bothered. How is finding the victims of systematic rape and human trafficking 'undesirables' any different than claiming the victims 'probably asked for it'?

And in Oxford? Well kinda similar as in Rotherham. The evidence was there, but no one bothered to act.

Yeah no one believed that rape was still such a problem in the UK, and because of that they let it go on for years. And you want me to believe it would be best for India if they were still under British colonial rule?

What you are losing is your credibility around here.

I'm not the one claiming it would be best for India to be ruled by the UK. I'm not the one advocating Imperialism.

Answer the question! Was Rotherham covered up?

Earlier in this thread...

"Lovely" police officers

3 days is more than sufficient to answer the question. As it was not, the answer went public...

Cabinet Office loses cover-up battle

"Nick Clegg and David Cameron, both Ministers in the Cabinet Office, have been accused of ‘colluding’ in the latest cover-up of evidence that could expose VIP paedophile rings.

'Nick Clegg, who sits in this department, has already written to me refusing to carry out an investigation into who knew what about Cyril Smith in his party and it’s disappointing to see the Cabinet Office continuing this unhelpful approach.’"

Maybe not, but it is pretty endemic across Indian society. Their general attitude to women across the board is totally different to the Western world.

Are they? I think they are more blatant about their misogynistic tendencies, while we try to hide it a bit more. But the underlying ideas remain the same. Yeah sure, we have less of a problem with sex selective abortions and perhaps we also have a slightly smaller scale problem with rape, but those statistics don't actually say much about how far we have come with fundamentally tackling the issue of sexism in society. Demographic differences, socio-economic differences, levels of wealth, stability and efficiency of the justice system all have a much bigger effects on the visibility and prevalence of these issues than anything else.

In short, if we rape less here in the West, its probably because we are richer, not because we fundamentally think better of women.

I am not advocating Colonial Rule neither Imperialism. I am simply saying that in my opinion if the general attitude to women in the UK could be transferred to India, it would be better for Indian women, than the way it is at the moment. For that to happen it would need a British administration. But even then they would fight against centuries of traditions.

As I said before, I don't think there would be a substantive difference in the way women are treated if you were to transfer the British attitude towards women to India without changing the current wealth levels and socioeconomic status of millions of Indians.

Yes Sahib.

BTW Sahib, what about Rotherham?

No sleazy tabloid reporting here...

Bumbling Brit Cover-ups

"A second note to the prime minister, dated May 1988, said the committee had "some hesitation" about awarding the knighthood but "so far as we believe and have been able to ascertain, his past history or general character does not, in all the circumstances, render him unsuitable"."

And now for a few mixed (confused?) messages:


Science 'squeezed out of primary schools'

Science is being squeezed out of English primary schools, with a third not providing the recommended two hours of teaching a week...

... A third of 260 teachers surveyed said they lacked confidence teaching science...


Clever girls lack confidence in science and maths

Girls still lack confidence in pursuing high-paid careers in science and technology, even when their school results are as good or better than boys...


Indonesian clothes company sorry for 'sexist' labels

... "Washing instructions: Give this shirt to a woman. It's her job,"...

... The instructions rapidly drew criticism on social media.

The company offered an apology on Sunday, International Women's Day, after being inundated with complaints...



(And are not the majority of primary school teachers female?...)

All a question of culture and upbringing?...

All in our only one world,
Martin

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I had a tshirt a while ago where the instructions said "Give it to your mother, she'll know what to do!"

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