Those outraged Americans might want to wonder why they aren't just, if not more, outraged at the current US government's attempts to take control over women's bodies. Where were your cries of "Nazis" when all over the US there are efforts to restrict women's access to birth control and safe abortion?

Which American's were you speaking of?

Or was your assertion incorrect?

Be more specific.

Since Es99 put the proper qualifier in her sentence, I would think it is obvious which Americans she's referring to. The qualifier was, if you missed it, outraged Americans.

In other words, any outraged Americans that are upset by what is happening in the UK in regards to this forced sterilization should be asking themselves why they are not just as outraged that our own US government wants to take control over women's right to their own healthcare and bodies, such as access to birth control and safe abortion.

The question is how much should personal liberties and freedoms hold sway in a free society. If someone jumps off a building and commits suicide, is that fair to the emergency services that have to retrieve and scrape up what is left of their body. Is it fair to the coroners court for extra work etc. How much moral responsibility does society have to its members, and how much moral responsibility do members have to their society.

Exactly! +1

Who's disputing 'Moral Responsibility'?

Why not just Levy Extra Taxes against the Jumper, because of the extra expense, and unfairness to other's?

Or perhaps. Let's put an extra tax on those which may be 'Certified' as Suicidal, Because they may cause more work for persons, and are more 'expensive' to Society, than other's?

NOTE: Of course the above is sarcastic and silly. As similar regulatory and taxing proposals, regarding Individual Actions which may be Expensive and result in 'Unfair' extra work.

What are you talking about? Why are you talking about taxes?

The belief that those American's, who are outraged at Forced Sterilization, are not outraged by Anti-Abortion Right Wing Fanatic's:

Clyde, if you were outraged about both then you clearly weren't who I was referring to. I have no idea why you insist on making this all about you. Not everything is all about you.

Shows an Unthinking Ideological Philosophy.

I'm pretty sure its not me that's unthinking here.

As an Atheist of Religion, and Secular Religion (Ideology): I threat their ascertains with the same distaste. As they should be.

Then I clearly wasn't talking about you, was I?

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The belief that those American's, who are outraged at Forced Sterilization, are not outraged by Anti-Abortion Right Wing Fanatic's:

Clyde, if you were outraged about both then you clearly weren't who I was referring to. I have no idea why you insist on making this all about you. Not everything is all about you.

Shows an Unthinking Ideological Philosophy.

I'm pretty sure its not me that's unthinking here.

As an Atheist of Religion, and Secular Religion (Ideology): I threat their ascertains with the same distaste. As they should be.

Then I clearly wasn't talking about you, was I?

Es99...

Everything was in general.

I am accused, many times, because of my distaste of The Left: I must be Right Wing, or similar, and therefore....

Those making these allegations, disrupt the flow of a Thread.

Just trying, very badly, to set the record straight.

My distaste of The Right is similar. But I do have a 'Grudging Respect' for The Right.

The Right tends to look you in the eyes, and tell you how they will 'Screw You'.

The Left is different. While smiling at you, patting you on the back, and telling you how they will help you: There is a knife in their hand.

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Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left.
You demand nuance for yourself, but fail to accept it in others.

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Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left.
You demand nuance for yourself, but fail to accept it in others.

I think someones left/right razor has been honed to an edge less than a plank unit.

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Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left.
You demand nuance for yourself, but fail to accept it in others.

I think someones left/right razor has been honed to an edge less than a plank unit.

Who is Left?

Who is Right?

Oh, I'm usually right.

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Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left.
You demand nuance for yourself, but fail to accept it in others.

I think someones left/right razor has been honed to an edge less than a plank unit.

Who is Left?

Who is Right?

Oh, I'm usually right.

That's true..

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Disgusting!

I've got no other word for it. Seriously, the US prison system is just...ugh, I've got no words for it.

Difference is, we don't claim to be the United States of Europe.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

There is no 'American Prison System', except for The Federal System, for Federal Crimes.

That is a contradiction. So there is an American prison system.

In either case, whether its a state or Federal prison is irrelevant. These practices are disgusting, and the overall prison culture in the US is disgusting.

ALL Power is Evil

Nope, I met one that wasn't.....

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ALL Power is Evil

Nope, I met one that wasn't.....

Love is the strongest power.

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Disgusting!

I've got no other word for it. Seriously, the US prison system is just...ugh, I've got no words for it.

Privatizing government functions all in the name of cost cutting ...

@Chris, didn't I say it mattered who ran the prison system? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75775&postid=1633553#1633553

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Just a difference of opinion.

We understand The King, Tsar, Government Regulator's are no better than Free Independent Individual's.

Europe Doesn't.

European Elections are about putting a 'Good King' in charge, and hope he doesn't do bad.

You seem to be under some serious mis-comprehensions about European Elections.

America understands ALL Power is Evil.

Perhaps Europe's Thinking will finally understand, and evolve.

Not!!!!

I really hope Europe does not become like America. America has an imperialist militaristic rogue state. Very close to being a police state at the moment.

Just calling yourself "free" doesn't make it so, and all the checks and balances your founding fathers put in place don't mean anything if they are not enforced.

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Love is the strongest power.

I believe there are more of us than there are of them!

:):)

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Do we agree, to disagree?

Probably best at this point seeing as we are way off the topic of the thread.

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Love is the strongest power.

I believe there are more of us than there are of them!

:):)

I do hope so my friend.

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Shh, let me mansplain Macquarie Dictionary's word of the year to you

"Mansplaining is when a man explains something to a woman in a patronising way, assuming that only he can educate a woman he presumes ignorant but who may actually have more knowledge than him. "


hmmm..that's never happened on seti...ha ha ha...

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Shh, let me mansplain Macquarie Dictionary's word of the year to you

"Mansplaining is when a man explains something to a woman in a patronising way, assuming that only he can educate a woman he presumes ignorant but who may actually have more knowledge than him. "


hmmm..that's never happened on seti...ha ha ha...

Hey married men out there.

Has your wife ever explained something to you in a 'Patronizing' manner?

Has any man, out there, ever been called a "Stupid" man/male, by a women?

Disregarding if we deserved it -

Works both ways.

:) :) :)

Are your examples limited to interactions between husbands or wives? Or have you had to deal with women 'matronising' you where ever you go? For example, when you are driving, shopping for things, going to work, reading a book, pursuing a degree, working, taking a bus, walking down the street, posting on a forum, playing pool in pub? (yeah..the list goes on and on and on).

It doesn't go both ways. I can assure you that I don't ever feel the need to walk around in the world explaining to strange men I've never met before how to do basic everyday things. However, I have had on many occasions men feel that they can do that to me.

..but feel free to 'mansplain' to me what 'mansplaining' actually is.

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Men get this from women too.

Maybe even on this forum ..... ;-)

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