Machines will never be able to replace people completely imo. For instance in my job, people will always be needed, or doctors, nurses, daycare centers, psychiatrists, psychologists, priests, singers, ... and so on... I don't see machines doing those jobs...

Who needs daycare centers when you dont have a job.
Psychologists and priests. Why not use internet and Google?

Sigh...

But there is hope.
Hans Rosling's Demographic Party Trick #1, with Bill Gates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nDh8MQuS-Y

As we all perhaps know, the amount of jobs available for people is steadily and rapidly decreasing. Thanks to massive innovations in the field of robotics and artificial intelligence, people are losing their jobs because computers and robots can do it better and cheaper.
But this poses a problem for the fundamental basis of our capitalist system, which is mass consumption. If people don't have jobs, and therefor don't have an income, they can't consume and the economy collapses.
So some people have proposed a nice alternative to welfare, namely the 'basic income'. This is a monthly payment everyone gets, with no strings attached. It would replace food stamps, welfare and all other social security programs and just leave you with this.
Do you think this would work?

At least it is something to think about when it comes time to address this problem.

The time to address this problem is now!
It's a global problem. Even in the US.
Why wait?

Machines will never be able to replace people completely imo. For instance in my job, people will always be needed, or doctors, nurses, daycare centers, psychiatrists, psychologists, priests, singers, ... and so on... I don't see machines doing those jobs...

That's for Humans.

What happens when Machines decide THEY don't need Humans.

That would be called Sci-fi in human terms:) Machines don't have a own will or rather, don't have the capacities of a human brain.

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Machines will never be able to replace people completely imo. For instance in my job, people will always be needed, or doctors, nurses, daycare centers, psychiatrists, psychologists, priests, singers, ... and so on... I don't see machines doing those jobs...

That's for Humans.

What happens when Machines decide THEY don't need Humans.

That would be called Sci-fi in human terms:) Machines don't have a own will or rather, don't have the capacities of a human brain.

Yet :)

Mother Nature didn't make them!

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Machines will never be able to replace people completely imo. For instance in my job, people will always be needed, or doctors, nurses, daycare centers, psychiatrists, psychologists, priests, singers, ... and so on... I don't see machines doing those jobs...

That's for Humans.

What happens when Machines decide THEY don't need Humans.

That would be called Sci-fi in human terms:) Machines don't have a own will or rather, don't have the capacities of a human brain.

Yet :)

Mother Nature didn't make them!

Mother Nature made The Humans, who made the Machines.

Just shows Evolution is a fact. :) :) :)

Yes, but you're forgetting the bassics my friend. (pun intended)

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When 'Machines' are able to do this...

Have seen this scenario, in many Science Fiction Movies.

Its called the technological singularity, the point where Artificial Intelligence has reached a point where it can self evolve into...well, we don't know. It represents a paradigm shift so massive that we cannot see beyond it, hence the use of the word 'singularity'.

But yeah, loads of SciFi movies address this in one way or another. And yeah, in a lot of them the machines try to kill us. Personally I think thats a pretty idiotic idea, although I suppose it is possible if we only keep building robots designed to kill.

Interesting idea, Мишель, but hardly very original.

Robert Heinlein, in his first novel explored something VERY similar as a solution to just this problem.

He wrote the novel "For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs" in 1938, but decided not to publish it. It was finally published in 2003 (I have a copy).

Society in the area of the current USA in the year 2086 had come up with the 'Heritage Check' system to combat just this issue -- lack of available jobs due to automation, etc.

It is an interesting read. I can see a few issues with it, but it appears to be rather well thought out by Heinlein.

For a link to a critique of the book, you may wish to visit this link:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Us,_The_Living:_A_Comedy_of_Customs

At least it is something to think about when it comes time to address this problem.

Heinlein (as well as a good deal of other SciFi writers) was a visionary well ahead of the times. I heard Starship troopers has actually been used as a basis for some of the reforms the US army underwent after the 60's. Not sure how much of that is true though. Its an interesting read non the less.

That would be called Sci-fi in human terms:) Machines don't have a own will or rather, don't have the capacities of a human brain.

Not yet. But brains are little more than biological computers. Its is theoretically possible to recreate their function with computer chips. Its really no more than an engineering issue. And just wait until a computer becomes as 'big' as a human brain. Thanks to the superior hardware it will not just think like we do, it would do so at only a fraction of the speed at which we do it.

That would be called Sci-fi in human terms:) Machines don't have a own will or rather, don't have the capacities of a human brain.

Not yet. But brains are little more than biological computers. Its is theoretically possible to recreate their function with computer chips. Its really no more than an engineering issue. And just wait until a computer becomes as 'big' as a human brain. Thanks to the superior hardware it will not just think like we do, it would do so at only a fraction of the speed at which we do it.

[Janis Joplin voice]Still, they don't have the Soul, man:) [\Janis Joplin voice]

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That would be called Sci-fi in human terms:) Machines don't have a own will or rather, don't have the capacities of a human brain.

Not yet. But brains are little more than biological computers. Its is theoretically possible to recreate their function with computer chips. Its really no more than an engineering issue. And just wait until a computer becomes as 'big' as a human brain. Thanks to the superior hardware it will not just think like we do, it would do so at only a fraction of the speed at which we do it.

Its not theoretically possible to recreate brain functions with computer chips.
We dont even know how our brains work.
Yes. Some basic functions.
But jellyfishes has probably more brain functions than a computer, no matter how big it is. Its not only computational power in animals brain.

Its not theoretically possible to recreate brain functions with computer chips.
We dont even know how our brains work.
Yes. Some basic functions.
But jellyfishes has probably more brain functions than a computer, no matter how big it is. Its not only computational power in animals brain.

Ehm, you are about 10-15 years behind on the research in that case. We don't know everything exactly yet, but we are getting a very strong grip on how the human brain works. Neuro image scanning has helped us tremendously in understanding how the brain works.

And IBM just a few weeks ago unveiled a computer that basically functions in the same way the human brain does. Literally the only difference between IBM's computer and our brain was size. Our brain is still 'bigger' in the sense that we have more neural connections than IBM's computer. I expect that will change within a few decades as well.

[Janis Joplin voice]Still, they don't have the Soul, man:) [\Janis Joplin voice]

Why not? And why wouldnt they be able to get one? Actually, ask yourself this: why do humans have a soul?

[Janis Joplin voice]Still, they don't have the Soul, man:) [\Janis Joplin voice]

Why not? And why wouldnt they be able to get one? Actually, ask yourself this: why do humans have a soul?

I've asked myself this, found some answers, just can't prove anything. I'll tell you something odd tho, there's indeed a connection between my computers and I, difficult to explain and No, I'm not crazy. Don't you ever have the feeling your computer 'listens' to you?

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Don't you ever have the feeling your computer 'listens' to you?

The N S A has Known 'it' for A Very Long Time. 'They' started 'work' on 'it' in The 50s.

'It' 'is' Very Basic, Income or No.

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[Janis Joplin voice]Still, they don't have the Soul, man:) [\Janis Joplin voice]

Why not? And why wouldnt they be able to get one? Actually, ask yourself this: why do humans have a soul?

I've asked myself this, found some answers, just can't prove anything. I'll tell you something odd tho, there's indeed a connection between my computers and I, difficult to explain and No, I'm not crazy. Don't you ever have the feeling your computer 'listens' to you?

Yes, when I tell it to do what I want it to do, its listening to me ;)

Its not theoretically possible to recreate brain functions with computer chips.
We dont even know how our brains work.
Yes. Some basic functions.
But jellyfishes has probably more brain functions than a computer, no matter how big it is. Its not only computational power in animals brain.

Ehm, you are about 10-15 years behind on the research in that case. We don't know everything exactly yet, but we are getting a very strong grip on how the human brain works. Neuro image scanning has helped us tremendously in understanding how the brain works.
And IBM just a few weeks ago unveiled a computer that basically functions in the same way the human brain does. Literally the only difference between IBM's computer and our brain was size. Our brain is still 'bigger' in the sense that we have more neural connections than IBM's computer. I expect that will change within a few decades as well.

You are both right and wrong.
I know about Pet scanning. I have done it.
I have met several neuro surgeons because I have a problem with my arms.
I have no sense in parts of my left arm espacially two fingers.
The muscles in the left hand have also disappered.
No one can tell whats wrong.
Ulnar nerve its called. They did not know so they operated me twice.

And thats is communication between a brain and a muscle.
A very simple task for a computer.
Our brain have much more undefined functions evolved in eons.

Or do you have specification for how to build a mechanical brain?
Dont think so. Nobody has.

Like Julie just said. They have no soul.
What a boring World.

[Janis Joplin voice]Still, they don't have the Soul, man:) [\Janis Joplin voice]

Why not? And why wouldnt they be able to get one? Actually, ask yourself this: why do humans have a soul?

I've asked myself this, found some answers, just can't prove anything. I'll tell you something odd tho, there's indeed a connection between my computers and I, difficult to explain and No, I'm not crazy. Don't you ever have the feeling your computer 'listens' to you?

LOL
Definitive not my computer right know:)
It doesnt even know that I'm angry.

Or do you have specification for how to build a mechanical brain?
Dont think so. Nobody has.

Like Julie just said. They have no soul.
What a boring World.

Well yeah, but we don't need to build an exact replica of the human brain. All we need is the bit that gives it self awareness and intelligence. Granted, not an easy task, but given the extremely big leaps we made in the fields of computing and artificial intelligence of the past few decades and Im confident that it wont take more than a few more decades before we have self aware, hyper intelligent computers.

Or do you have specification for how to build a mechanical brain?
Dont think so. Nobody has.
Like Julie just said. They have no soul.
What a boring World.

Well yeah, but we don't need to build an exact replica of the human brain. All we need is the bit that gives it self awareness and intelligence. Granted, not an easy task, but given the extremely big leaps we made in the fields of computing and artificial intelligence of the past few decades and Im confident that it wont take more than a few more decades before we have self aware, hyper intelligent computers.

A computer is not intelligent.
A human has to have a specifaction to make them intellingent.
We are far from that. Very far.
Robots are not bad per se.
But it will mean more poor peoples without jobs.
Please give examples of your statement

Extremely big leaps we made in the fields of computing and artificial intelligence of the past few decades

I have worked with computers since 1978 so what have I missed:)

I have worked with computers since 1978 so what have I missed:)

Have you not noticed that a computer that can fit in your pocket is still millions of times faster than the big ones in 1978?