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Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Indeed it is a pickle. Though I question the part of not being able to afford the peering charges. That's their core business, and as such, they need to invest in R&D as much as possible to figure the problem out.The problem is 1/3 of all traffic during prime time is coming form on source Netflix. I know Verizon's subscribers pay for the connection but why should most pay for the few? |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Your ISP should offer a 'light user' planI'm not a light user, I'm also not a bandwidth hog. What you are going to get is pay by the byte. Electricity is sold by the KWH so why not bandwidth by the byte? We already pay by the bit. I pay more for my Comcast Blast! than most people with basic services. Don't mess with the ISPs you can't win short of confiscating the network Consumers would win if there were more competition, driving prices down per bit. Instead, many areas have only one choice of ISP and therefore no choice. The ISPs can set whatever price they want to since they are a defacto monopoly in those areas. Other ISPs have seen the benefit of this situation and have agreed to only build out in certain areas, avoiding competition with each other. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Consumers would win if there were more competition, driving prices down per bit. Instead, many areas have only one choice of ISP and therefore no choice.I know the arguments well; the only answer is a national "dumb pipe". We had that at one time. How would you bring that back? |
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OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Indeed it is a pickle. Though I question the part of not being able to afford the peering charges. That's their core business, and as such, they need to invest in R&D as much as possible to figure the problem out. Three words: return on investment. A better infrastructure will benefit everyone in the future. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Consumers would win if there were more competition, driving prices down per bit. Instead, many areas have only one choice of ISP and therefore no choice. I don't think it's the only answer. I think the alternative answer is to somehow stop ISPs from monopolizing certain geographical locations. I think we start by drawing a line with all traffic being equal and not allowing ISPs to double-dip. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
I don't think it's the only answer. I think the alternative answer is to somehow stop ISPs from monopolizing certain geographical locations. I think we start by drawing a line with all traffic being equal and not allowing ISPs to double-dip.Have no fear, Google is here. Is that evil spirit? No it is balloon; |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
This isn't a Republican vs. Democrat thing, though I do find it interesting that people with conservative views will frame it in such a way. Excellent point, both sides would tout a perceived win if given a chance. I don't really care which side touts what, so long as ISPs are not allowed to double-dip and all traffic is treated the same. p.s. Again I THANK YOU fO SubCatdizing My HOG Ways on da Intercat. You're very welcome. I've also subsidized your current computer's horsepower by buying top end (read: expensive) computer parts for the better part of 3 decades. Those top end parts usually pay for most of the R&D and pave the way for future generations of chips. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I don't think it's the only answer. I think the alternative answer is to somehow stop ISPs from monopolizing certain geographical locations. I think we start by drawing a line with all traffic being equal and not allowing ISPs to double-dip. Lol! Gotta give them points for creativity. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30906 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I was just on DSL reports a site for broadband geeks from all sides in the business. Don't let the name DSL fool you; when the site was setup DSL was cutting edge. Anyway if you want to get an idea of how complicated this is with he said she said take a look at the thread about the Verizon Netflix blame game. Verizon: Our Review Shows No Congestion; Netflix to Blame. They decided their core business is not BEING A DUMB PIPE TO THE INTERNET. They have decided to be an all encompassing content provider who has trapped customers due to utility easements. Much easier being a landlord and collecting rent from public property. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
They decided their core business is not BEING A DUMB PIPE TO THE INTERNET. They have decided to be an all encompassing content ....CATV, Google and anyone else has the right to use The Phone Company's plant to run wires. TPC did not decide anything, the public drunk on MCI Kool-Aid, demanded it. Free enterprise it works*. *except for a natural monopoly. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
They decided their core business is not BEING A DUMB PIPE TO THE INTERNET. They have decided to be an all encompassing content provider who has trapped customers due to utility easements. ...which means they have that much more money to spend on infrastructure and R&D. Much easier being a landlord and collecting rent from public property. Yeah, but people will only accept being a slum lord for so long. Eventually people will start demanding more for their money. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30906 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
They decided their core business is not BEING A DUMB PIPE TO THE INTERNET. They have decided to be an all encompassing content provider who has trapped customers due to utility easements. Might be my bad with a double negative. The money is going into content creation and aqusition, not infrastructure.
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Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Might be my bad with a double negative. The money is going into content creation and aqusition, not infrastructure.If you are talking about the ISPs they have different agendas. Comcast now owns NBC and yes they want to be an end to end producer and provider. If you are talking about Verizon they want to be a wireless provider and would be happy to give up the last mile landline business. Verizon has unloaded much of that end of the business the last few years; if POTS weren't regulated they would abandon the copper in place and walk away. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30906 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Might be my bad with a double negative. The money is going into content creation and aqusition, not infrastructure.If you are talking about the ISPs they have different agendas. Comcast now owns NBC and yes they want to be an end to end producer and provider. If you are talking about Verizon they want to be a wireless provider and would be happy to give up the last mile landline business. Verizon has unloaded much of that end of the business the last few years; if POTS weren't regulated they would abandon the copper in place and walk away. Verizon is selling all the copper as fast as it can. However it wants to keep its fiber FIOS service thereby becoming a Cable TV provider and do Comcast / Time Warner deals. You really should read their annual report. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Verizon is selling all the copper as fast as it can. However it wants to keep its fiber FIOS service thereby becoming a Cable TV provider and do Comcast / Time Warner deals. You really should read their annual report.For now but they will not run one more inch of glass. The new CEO came from wireless and he put a stop to any new FiOS. Verizon has yet to make back the $21 billion spent on the fiber to the premises. Only 1/3 of homes passed sign up. When Verizon sold the landlines to Frontier in 14 states some of it was FiOS. The first thing Frontier did was drop the CATV service. The deal Verizon is making with CATV is so they don't have to replace the copper with FiOS. Verizon fulfills their obligation to provide broadband by contracting it out to a CATV. Government meddling, isn't it grand? |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Verizon is selling all the copper as fast as it can. However it wants to keep its fiber FIOS service thereby becoming a Cable TV provider and do Comcast / Time Warner deals. You really should read their annual report.For now but they will not run one more inch of glass. The new CEO came from wireless and he put a stop to any new FiOS. Verizon has yet to make back the $21 billion spent on the fiber to the premises. Only 1/3 of homes passed sign up. If he came from wireless then he should know its only wireless between your cellphone and the tower or the tower and your cellphone. Everything in between goes through wire or fibre. [/quote] Old James |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
If he came from wireless then he should know its only wireless between your cellphone and the tower or the tower and your cellphone. Everything in between goes through wire or fibre.The fiber backhaul for cell towers is more like a backbone not a last mile; Verizon wireless is it's own company in Verizon Communication. Verizon wireless' cell towers in an at&t area has to lease lines from at&t. It is the last mile that is expensive to place and maintain. This so called fast lane is nothing new; TPC has been selling private lease lines since Watson was Bell Labs. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
They decided their core business is not BEING A DUMB PIPE TO THE INTERNET. They have decided to be an all encompassing content provider who has trapped customers due to utility easements. I'm aware of where they choose to invest their money. My comments have suggested they need to re-think their choices instead of double-dipping. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Proof that Netflix is a lying leech. The latest ISP speed "report" from Netflix has Verizon DSL last with an AVERAGE speed of 0.91 Mbps. I just happen to have Verizon DSL and Netflix is kind enough to offer a video for testing. This is my speed during peak viewing hours; DU Meter Stopwatch - #1 I AVERAGED 1.3 Mgps but when the video started I got 11.0 Mbps and it buffered for 30 seconds then the speed drooped 0. The video played fine. So yes figures don't lie but lairs figure. |
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