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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
But I would ask him if these fine examples of religious morals in action are ethical? Or more importantly are they "right?" But he won't answer you in a meaningful way. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Morals are the principles, ethics is the way you act to uphold said principles. Having morals without ethics is pointless and just makes you a hypocrite (Homophobic priests who end up sleeping with male prostitutes kind of hypocrisy) and ethics without morals do not exist. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? Irrelevant to my point really. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? Hi Clyde... the discussion started because of ID's statement about real men having morals, not ethics or something like that. :) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? Interesting .... very interesting .... So ID's real men have morals, their tablet, but per ID no ethics. Мишель says ethics is putting morals into action. Interesting .... very interesting .... |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Thank you for the non-answer, to a relevant question regarding what your definition of morals and ethics are. My definition of morals and ethics are irrelevant. My point is that morals make up what you consider to be good practices (don't kill people, don't steal other peoples possessions) and ethics are the specific behavior patterns that support your moral values (IE, not trying to murder people or not trying to steal peoples stuff). When you ask for a definition of morals and ethics after this, I assumes it means you want to know what my morals are and how I behave to support my moral convictions. Which is irrelevant. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? Aren't we born with morals? Don't know about ethics... Looks like it! Ethics and morals both relate to “right†and “wrong†conduct. However, ethics refer to the series of rules provided to an individual by an external source, e.g. their profession or religion. Morals refer to an individual’s own principles regarding right and wrong. Мишель says ethics is putting morals into action. Of course it does! The morals get triggered. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? The more this gets discussed the more inclined I am to believe that morals and Ethics and the obverse and reverse of the same coin. That they refer to the same object, the coin. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? Yes, but Ethics come from 'outside' Isn't it so that we learn ethics and the morals come from oneself? Although one could say that we influence Ethics as well, who has invented Ethics for starters? Us... You could be right with that coin Gary... rOZZ Music Pictures |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Who's morals? Who's ethics? Who defines? Okay... I'll have a stab at it :) Just my opinion mind... :) but I think of morals as being the warm, fuzzy, subjective things we tell ourselves we are, to make us feel that we're decent, and above all right in what we do and say :) Ethics on the other hand (arrived at through the consensus of many) is an objective yardstick against which we get to measure those morals. If we measure up well, on balance, then our warm fuzziness is much easier to justify to others. If we don't, it's not. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Yes, but Ethics come from 'outside' Do they? If the moral principle is to not kill people needlessly, do you have to teach people that in order to uphold that principle its probably best if they don't try to stab each other? Or are ethics perhaps self evident once the moral principle is established, and can anyone of sound mind understand what patterns of behavior should be avoided in order to uphold the accepted moral principle. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Yes, but Ethics come from 'outside' I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. Exactly! For most people there is no need to be taught that doing things that could get people killed is unacceptable behavior. Once they accept that murder is bad, they understand that some behavior is therefor bad as well. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. You don't need to be taught anything except empathy. Once you are capable of stopping and thinking "would I like it if someone was doing this to me?" you can rule out most anti-social behaviours. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. Yes. Some brains simply can not process empathy and I suspect others over process it. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. +1 rOZZ Music Pictures |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. Studies have shown that the richer you are the more problem you have with empathy. Reality Internet Personality |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. I think it lies within oneself, what ones opinion is on money that is, the empathy part lies more within the EQ of a person. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. I suspect that is the effect, not the cause. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I think if you need to be taught not to kill people, then there is something wrong with you. How Wealth Reduces Compassion As riches grow, empathy for others seems to decline Reality Internet Personality |
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