Sorry Tulio you forgot to say what book mate. opps silly me not reading ok got it sorry Tulio forget this stupid post

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Sorry Tulio you forgot to say what book mate. opps silly me not reading ok got it sorry Tulio forget this stupid post

No problem. But let me add also J.Gofman and A.Tamplin, "Poisoned power: the case against nuclear power plants", Chatto&Windus, 1973. Both former USAEC scientists.Sternglass was charged to research the adverse health effects of the Three Miles Island LOCA, March 28 1979. A very similar accident happened in Trino Vercellese, Italy, in 1967 but nobody wrote a line about it. It was explained to me one night in Manarola, Cinque Terre, Liguria, by the former safety chief engineer of Trino PWR. In vino veritas, with a botle of Sciacchetra'.
Tullio

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umm so there has been a accident and it was keep'd real quiet and there you go 1 of the biggest reason so far why we shouldn't have nuke power the cover ups

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umm so there has been a accident and it was keep'd real quiet and there you go 1 of the biggest reason so far why we shouldn't have nuke power the cover ups

American scientists and nuclear engineers are not afraid to speak up even when this jeopardizes their career and income. European scientists do not speak up maybe because there are fewer job opportunities. When working at Mondadori Publishing House I've known the top Italian nuclear engineers and they would tell me things they would not say publicly. Only Mario Silvestri, the CIRENE designer, made a rather obscure comment on the Trino accident in his book "Il costo della menzogna", saying in a footnote that that reactor had given "grossi dispiaceri" (big problems) (pag.106).
Tullio

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Yep ppl in Europe don't speak out but I don't think it's just about how many jobs there are Tullio probably a bit of fear too seeing as Europe has had such a colourful history as well. I herd Europe doesn't have good whistle blower laws to protect such ppl if they speak out .

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Yep ppl in Europe don't speak out but I don't think it's just about how many jobs there are Tullio probably a bit of fear too seeing as Europe has had such a colourful history as well. I herd Europe doesn't have good whistle blower laws to protect such ppl if they speak out .

There was a whistleblower before the Vajont tragedy which killed 2000 people in 1963, a female journalist of L'Unita' communist paper, and she was indicted for spreading false and malicious rumors. The the Toc mountain slid in the artificial lake enclosed by the dam, and 2000 people died.I was there the morning after with the Alpine Rescue Corps but there was nobody we could save, only corpses.
Tullio

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Omg that must have been very bad thing to go through Tullio . Give me nightmares I think . And some one went to jail for speak up about it wow !

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Omg that must have been very bad thing to go through Tullio . Give me nightmares I think . And some one went to jail for speak up about it wow !

Nobody of the people responsible for this crime (the landslide was foreseen and the water of the lake was yellow in August when I passed by, which means that the landslide was already moving) ever went to jail and the process was celebrated in southern Italy to keep people away from the court. The slide occurred on the night of October 9 1963.
Tullio

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October 9 1963

wow that's 6 days before I was born

explains why nobody is a whistle blower then anymore

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yo2013 you seem to be prone to making mistakes in simple arithmetic.

You deduce that for only one error?? Anyway, arithmetic has nothing to do with most of the thread.

Most of your references point to mistakes in location/design/operation of nuclear power plants.

Nope. I posted 19 references in this thread, and only 3 of them have to do with nuclear power plants accidents. All the 3 in response to people that mentioned them before. Maybe I'm bad at arithmetic, but you can't even count.

It's not up to the public to prove that nuclear power is dangerous,

If you say something is dangerous then YOU have to prove it. Likewise, if I say you killed someone, I have to prove it. If I can't you have the right to sue me by diffamation.

but rather up to the industry to prove that it's safe.

It has proven it many times in many countries.

Your self-righteous indignation is not doing the industry any favours.

It's better than lying about it, as too many posters in this thread did. It's also better than going crazy because of the 40 deaths in the 70 years of use of nuclear power plants, and saying nothing about the hundreds of thousands of deaths of other energy sources.

You can't bully people into giving up their fear of nuclear power.

Yeah, people can think all the stupid things they want without any evidence, but don't expect that I will say nothing about their lack of evidence or plain contradiction to the facts.

I wasn't talking about Fukushima mate they do have a sodium rector in Japan it's been there for over 20yrs and they have had trouble with it.

OK, I thought you were talking about Fukushima. There are 2 breeder reactors in Japan. Only one of them had accidents. The first accident affected the secondary cooling loop, so there was no radiation leaked. In the second one, a machine fell into the reactor vessel, and the workers had trouble trying to lift and remove it. They removed it 8 months later. There was no real danger to workers, only an engineering problem.

The same trouble the French would have had sodium leaks as pipes corrode

As I showed, there haven't been any pipe corrosion accident in either France, Detroit or Japan breeder reactors. Why you insist in repeating that lie?

Take your own advise and do your research go to the C.S.I.R.O web site and you will find out what I'm talking about

That's your duty. You are the one that talked about a new solar power system, so you should provide the references or at least explain how it works. I didn't make any claims about that power system, only asked what system are you talking about.

Ernest Sternglass, "Low level radiation". Sternglass was a scientist of the Atomic Energy Commission and was charged to research on this subject. What he found frightened him and made him publish this book. Then he was fired.
Tullio

The only peer-reviewed publications by Sternglass on radiation health effects that I can found are about nuclear weapon tests effects on health, and X-rays scans effects on health, not nuclear power plants effects. Also, many of his works seem to lack basic scientific rigour. Particularly, his (not published in peer-reviewed journal) claims about Three Mile Island accident show a methodology full of basic mistakes.

But let me add also J.Gofman and A.Tamplin, "Poisoned power: the case against nuclear power plants", Chatto&Windus, 1973.

Another not peer-reviewed publication.

A very similar accident happened in Trino Vercellese, Italy, in 1967 but nobody wrote a line about it. It was explained to me one night in Manarola, Cinque Terre, Liguria, by the former safety chief engineer of Trino PWR. In vino veritas, with a botle of Sciacchetra'.

If it was very similar, then there was no health effects on the population. Of course, we can't check anything because the only source is a conversation you had. So that proves nothing about nuclear unsafety.

There is nothing adamant about peer reviews. On "Nature" magazine I recently read the story of a South Korean scientist who had found the way to peer-review his own publications, using Internet and false names. Anyway, my only published paper on the Nuovo Cimento in September 1967 was peer-reviewed.
Tullio

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Yo2013 the moment someone comes out with that's not peer reviewed I think oh no another twit . As Tullio said peer review is B/S and can be manipulated and is.

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Not all scientific articles are peer-reviewed. Physical Review Letters and similar are NOT peer-reviewed. The papers presented in science congresses of any type are NOT peer reviewed. I think you must look to the person/s who wrote the article to judge its contents. Personal konwledge is still essential. A good tree cannot produce bad fruits nor a bad tree good fruits. Who wrote that? The Gospels? Not peer reviewed, don't believe them.
Tullio

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To go back to thee subject of this thread, the weekly "Headlines from Russia" included in La Repubblica paper confirms what I said about a fusion machine deriving from ALCATOR of MIT. It is called IGNITOR and shall be built in Moscow with financing also from Italy. Its cost, about 250 million euros is far below the cost of ITER (more than 15 billion euros). It seems to a more reasonable cost.
Tullio

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Tullio you reakon the downing of the plane will effect the project now ? Maybe your gov will pull out now ? Is it based or the ITER reactor a plasma or they going a different way with this 1

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Some of my posts were deleted by admins, and I'm getting tired of these stupid arguments, so I'll not write more here.

Tullio you reakon the downing of the plane will effect the project now ? Maybe your gov will pull out now ? Is it based or the ITER reactor a plasma or they going a different way with this 1

I hope not. Russia is not to be accounted for the Ukraine tragedy. Some Ukrainians are guilty, probably of the pro-Russia faction. It is easy to cause a tragedy and then accuse your enemies for it. I believe in science and not in wars.
The IGNITOR project is the brain child of Bruno Coppi, a scientist I met in Trieste at the I.C.T.P "Abdus Salam" in 1969. I believe in his honesty and the Russians seem to have appreciated him. The ITER project is a son of many fathers and you certainly know the definition of a camel as a horse designed by a committee. I think research on fusion should go on but the price of ITER is not right , as "Nature" magazine has said.
Tullio
IGNITOR is basically a TOKAMAK, like ITER. TOKAMAK stands for Toroidal Kamera Magnetika and the idea is due to Igor Kurchatov, to which the Institute where IGNITOR sould be built is named.

Thanks for that is was very interesting . Sounded like he is on to something big there and from the tests and charts he's already achieved better results than ITER for a fraction of the cost. Wouldn't surprise me if that's why he's meeting so much resitance getting funding it's too cheap . Hopefully there is a smart entrepreneur out there that will relise that the first 1 that backs him will control the energy industry as 6 yrs is not that long .ITER and other's i'm shore will take at least that long if not longer

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