Your argument is stuck at the hypothesis stage, and needs experimental proof. Who and where is the designer?

If I may comment on that, ID will remain in the hypothesis stage forever, there's no way we can prove something or experiment on that level. The designer is there imo, who and where he is, is also something we will never know, unfortunately.

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Your argument is stuck at the hypothesis stage, and needs experimental proof. Who and where is the designer?

If I may comment on that, ID will remain in the hypothesis stage forever, there's no way we can prove something or experiment on that level. The designer is there imo, who and where he is, is also something we will never know, unfortunately.

Agreed. The ID hypothesis is a non-scientific conjecture. It cannot be confirmed or disproven by science. The difficulty is in getting ID himself to see that intelligent design is not science but more like a philosophy or belief.

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If there were a supernatural designer, then ask yourself "why did she make so many mistakes"

ID states - "You have no proof that one species has changed into another."

I would like an answer. Is there ANY proof?

Don't agree with the foundation of ID's argument. But the question is valid.

First, evolutionary theory does not state that one species changes into another. This is an incorrect statement of how the theory works. Evolutionary theory states that when external selection pressures are applied to a population, it will select for a sub population with mutations which adapt it to that selection pressure. For example, wolves and chihuahuas are derived from the same species. Chihuahua were selected by humans to be small, annoying and cute over many generations. They look entirely different and would not be mistaken for wolves. Chihuahua evolved from wolves, but wolves still remain a separate species. Wolves DID NOT change into chihuahua. And, given the small number of mutations and time period (several centuries) required to get from a wolf to a chihuahua, its not hard to see that when this process is integrated over millions and billions of years, that it is possible to derive all of the currently known species.
There are plenty of other examples – bacterial resistance to antibiotics, rapid evolution of flu virus, the entire fossil record, showing a general progression over time from simple, single cell organisms to complex species we see now, the ability to relate species through their DNA sequence (e.g. many bacterial genes are similar to human genes) and unravel the exact sequence of change/duplications etc which give rise to new organisms. In fact, the ability to sequence the entire genome of 3 homonid species, homo sapiens, neanderthals and floriensis, who all lived at approx the same time, is a direct demonstration of the how small changes in DNA sequence can give rise to discrete species.

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ID states - "You have no proof that one species has changed into another."

I would like an answer. Is there ANY proof?

Don't agree with the foundation of ID's argument. But the question is valid.

There is no proof that there is gravity but that doesn't prove anything. I do know ID doesn't answer any questions he just throws out words such as the gods created gravity because no one can prove they didn't.

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ID states - "You have no proof that one species has changed into another."

I would like an answer. Is there ANY proof?

Don't agree with the foundation of ID's argument. But the question is valid.

Nobody claims that one species can directly change into another. Evolution Theory maintains that a species can evolve into a slightly different form, and if these small evolutionary steps continue. You will eventually have two, or more completely different species.

The original species probaly would have lived millions of years ago. see A cross between a panther and a squirrel: 55-million-year-old fossil reveals shared ancestor of cats and dogs for a newspaper report.

Other then responding to you now, when did I say Catholic schools such as Notre Dame teach creationism?

You would do yourself well not to put words into my mouth that I have never used.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Yes, I deny that.

I have given you the Father of Intelligent Design a man from uc Berkeley. I have given you all the people who along with this man started the movement. Not my fault the thread was removed and you never read it.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Don't you realise that it is just a ploy to fool people into thinking there is a designer or God controlling life.

Don't you realize As Much Science as The Kiddies Can Bear can been taught Right Alongside a Course in I.D., say, part of A Humanities Class.

No One Need Fool or Get Fooled. Straight Arrow. Best of All Available Info at the time of Teaching.

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You ARE a very intelligent man.

I hope you are never droned.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

ID states - "You have no proof that one species has changed into another."

I would like an answer. Is there ANY proof?

Don't agree with the foundation of ID's argument. But the question is valid.

It's called genetic drift.

What I have stated is true.

Most of Darwin has been proven, proven even by my standards.

But this has not been proven. Yet taught as the truth...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

If there were a supernatural designer, then ask yourself "why did she make so many mistakes"

You ask the wrong questions.

What is perfect in this universe? Is the universe perfect?

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

If there were a supernatural designer, then ask yourself "why did she make so many mistakes"

You ask the wrong questions.

What is perfect in this universe? Is the universe perfect?

As I stated before, there is no such thing as perfection.

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As I stated before, there is no such thing as perfection.

Correct, My point exactly

If I accept this premise: then I must conclude there is no infallible being--hence no infallible Creator.

As I stated before, there is no such thing as perfection.

Correct, My point exactly

If I accept this premise: then I must conclude there is no infallible being--hence no infallible Creator.

Agreed. Why would there be so much evil around us otherwise?

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ID states - "You have no proof that one species has changed into another."

I would like an answer. Is there ANY proof?

Don't agree with the foundation of ID's argument. But the question is valid.

It's called genetic drift.

What I have stated is true.

Most of Darwin has been proven, proven even by my standards.

But this has not been proven. Yet taught as the truth...

And no one has ever proven that a single organism/biological structure was actually designed. Yet taught as truth...

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ID states - "You have no proof that one species has changed into another."

I would like an answer. Is there ANY proof?

Don't agree with the foundation of ID's argument. But the question is valid.

It's called genetic drift.

What I have stated is true.

Most of Darwin has been proven, proven even by my standards.

But this has not been proven. Yet taught as the truth...

And no one has ever proven that a single organism/biological structure was actually designed. Yet taught as truth...

ID is a mistery, no one can grasp. The truth that is taught is mostly 'stories' we can learn from and that teach us the ways of life to say it simple. Some truths did come out, and were proven though but mostly imo, the books written on ID have to be seen in a 'figurative' way, but very interesting!

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As I stated before, there is no such thing as perfection.

Correct, My point exactly

If I accept this premise: then I must conclude there is no infallible being--hence no infallible Creator.

I find what you both have said here as a false premise.

I find the Causal Agent infallible. It is not a teaching of Intelligent Design.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

No one is infallible ID. People who think they are infallible live in a dreamworld.

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Other then responding to you now, when did I say Catholic schools such as Notre Dame teach creationism?

You would do yourself well not to put words into my mouth that I have never used.

You ask many questions but don't answer any.

I quote you for the third time.

Father Lewis was a very unhappy man when I took issue with this in his Creation Class.

Are you saying Catholic schools such as Notre Dame teache creationism?

Ummmm, did I say that?

I quoted you

Father Lewis was a very unhappy man when I took issue with this in his Creation Class.

I assume Father Lewis was a priest teaching science in a Catholic school.

I assume "Father Lewis" a priest.
I assume he as teaching a science class in a Catholic school.
I assume all Catholic schools teach the same science.
We all know what happens when we assume.

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Other then responding to you now, when did I say Catholic schools such as Notre Dame teach creationism?

You would do yourself well not to put words into my mouth that I have never used.

You ask many questions but don't answer any.

I quote you for the third time.

Father Lewis was a very unhappy man when I took issue with this in his Creation Class.

Are you saying Catholic schools such as Notre Dame teache creationism?

Ummmm, did I say that?

I quoted you

Father Lewis was a very unhappy man when I took issue with this in his Creation Class.

I assume Father Lewis was a priest teaching science in a Catholic school.

I assume "Father Lewis" a priest.
I assume he as teaching a science class in a Catholic school.
I assume all Catholic schools teach the same science.
We all know what happens when we assume.

I've taught science in quite a few Catholic schools and to be honest it is the same science that is taught everywhere else. i.e. actual science.

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