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Message 1529862 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 10:58:12 UTC
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Good to see that there is still some common sense in the US. Antievolution bills die in Missouri

In all, seven antievolution bills were introduced in five states (Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Virginia) in 2014; none won passage.


And in the UK the government strengthens the rules for government funded schools.

United Kingdom Bans Teaching Creationism in All State Schools
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Message 1529863 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 11:13:06 UTC - in response to Message 1529862.  

Good to see that there is still some common sense in the US. Antievolution bills die in Missouri

In all, seven antievolution bills were introduced in five states (Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Virginia) in 2014; none won passage.


And in the UK the government strengthens the rules for government funded schools.

United Kingdom Bans Teaching Creationism in All State Schools


As an ex-pat UK citizen, I am glad to see that the UK government upholds scientific facts!
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Message 1529971 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 18:28:09 UTC

Intelligent Design is not creationism. This is a red herring, why would I expect more from you all.... :-( Sad, very sad...

Creationism is a 6 day scenario. Pick up most any rock and that can be disproved.

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

You have failed to do the reading or you are intentionally misleading...
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Message 1529975 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 18:33:01 UTC - in response to Message 1529971.  

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

How does ID know this?
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Message 1529981 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 19:08:43 UTC

How does ID know this?


Same as Atheist Scientists. On The Shoulders of Giants Come Before and Living/Working Now. Same as 97% of ALL Scientists. heeeheeeheee. 'cept fO The Four Doing Original Work. Who dey?

Intelligent, No? Yes.

Design 'it'. Make 'it'. Ship 'it'. Agentadize/Politizize/Biaszize 'it'.

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Message 1529983 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 19:11:05 UTC - in response to Message 1529981.  

How does ID know this?


Same as Atheist Scientists. On The Shoulders of Giants Come Before and Living/Working Now. Same as 97% of ALL Scientists. heeeheeeheee. 'cept fO The Four Doing Original Work. Who dey?

Intelligent, No? Yes.

Design 'it'. Make 'it'. Ship 'it'. Agentadize/Politizize/Biaszize 'it'.

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+1 ;-) Same way, same science. cosmic microwave background --- date of rocks both here and on our moon...
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Message 1529994 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 20:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 1529971.  

Intelligent Design is not creationism. This is a red herring, why would I expect more from you all.... :-( Sad, very sad...

Creationism is a 6 day scenario. Pick up most any rock and that can be disproved.

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

You have failed to do the reading or you are intentionally misleading...


But what if the designer created the universe 6000 years ago, complete with fake ages/geology/red shifts/ life etc etc? Why limit ID to just the biology of the universe? Couldn't it all just de designed?
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Message 1529998 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 20:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 1529983.  

How does ID know this?

Same as Atheist Scientists. On The Shoulders of Giants Come Before and Living/Working Now. Same as 97% of ALL Scientists. heeeheeeheee. 'cept fO The Four Doing Original Work. Who dey?
Intelligent, No? Yes.
Design 'it'. Make 'it'. Ship 'it'. Agentadize/Politizize/Biaszize 'it'.
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+1 ;-) Same way, same science. cosmic microwave background --- date of rocks both here and on our moon...

Another way of thinking or believing :)
http://norse-mythology.org/tales/norse-creation-myth/
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Message 1530003 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 20:36:59 UTC

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.


I must agree on that.
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Message 1530009 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 20:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1529994.  
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Intelligent Design is not creationism. This is a red herring, why would I expect more from you all.... :-( Sad, very sad...

Creationism is a 6 day scenario. Pick up most any rock and that can be disproved.

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

You have failed to do the reading or you are intentionally misleading...


But what if the designer created the universe 6000 years ago, complete with fake ages/geology/red shifts/ life etc etc? Why limit ID to just the biology of the universe? Couldn't it all just de designed?


That is the very firm claim made by two of my nearest and dearest :/ When we chat about it, I refer to it as a creator intent on deceit (with a smile of course :) because I love them and don't want to be disrespectful of their beliefs) and they tell me it's not deceit, it's a test of faith :) When I ask them about their views on an intelligent designer guiding evolutionary change to create us - they see that as just one way of failing the test of faith. :/ (and I do NOT mean that to be in any way disrespectful to believers in Intelligent design!)

Now to quote a bit from janneseti's link (Hi janneseti! How are you? :))...

The first of the three conceptual meanings embedded in this myth ... is that creation never occurs in a vacuum. It necessitates the destruction of that which came before it. New life feeds on death, a principle which is recapitulated every time we eat, to cite but one example. This constant give-and-take, one of the most basic principles of life, features prominently in the Norse creation myth.


makes more sense to me than: everything from nothing in 6000 years + 6 days :)

Edit: Just re read that - not sure I'm on topic enough ID - apologies if not :)
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Message 1530011 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 21:01:15 UTC - in response to Message 1529999.  

Intelligent Design is not creationism. This is a red herring, why would I expect more from you all.... :-( Sad, very sad...

Creationism is a 6 day scenario. Pick up most any rock and that can be disproved.

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

You have failed to do the reading or you are intentionally misleading...


But what if the designer created the universe 6000 years ago, complete with fake ages/geology/red shifts/ life etc etc? Why limit ID to just the biology of the universe? Couldn't it all just de designed?

I may disagree with ID. But...

The above response is putting words in ID's mouth, which ID has already disputed.

The above response from brendon does show many Human's have devolved.


I was engaging in sarcasm. I find that comforting when engaging in one sided exchanges with ID. But you are right, I am showing signs of devolving. I apologize, and will patiently wait for ID to provide some answers to the many questions I have posed. My post was meant to point out that ID is happy to believe in the science that fits his ideas (i.e. the age of earth/universe) but discards the ones (evolution) that do not fit it.
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Message 1530013 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 21:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 1530011.  

Intelligent Design is not creationism. This is a red herring, why would I expect more from you all.... :-( Sad, very sad...

Creationism is a 6 day scenario. Pick up most any rock and that can be disproved.

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

You have failed to do the reading or you are intentionally misleading...


But what if the designer created the universe 6000 years ago, complete with fake ages/geology/red shifts/ life etc etc? Why limit ID to just the biology of the universe? Couldn't it all just de designed?

I may disagree with ID. But...

The above response is putting words in ID's mouth, which ID has already disputed.

The above response from brendon does show many Human's have devolved.


I was engaging in sarcasm. I find that comforting when engaging in one sided exchanges with ID. But you are right, I am showing signs of devolving. I apologize, and will patiently wait for ID to provide some answers to the many questions I have posed. My post was meant to point out that ID is happy to believe in the science that fits his ideas (i.e. the age of earth/universe) but discards the ones (evolution) that do not fit it.


I understood you :)
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Message 1530031 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 21:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1530011.  


I was engaging in sarcasm. I find that comforting when engaging in one sided exchanges with ID. But you are right, I am showing signs of devolving. I apologize, and will patiently wait for ID to provide some answers to the many questions I have posed. My post was meant to point out that ID is happy to believe in the science that fits his ideas (i.e. the age of earth/universe) but discards the ones (evolution) that do not fit it.
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Brendan that's not fair I was just getting to like that hypothesis you advanced.
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Message 1530033 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 22:07:01 UTC - in response to Message 1529998.  

Another way of thinking or believing :)
http://norse-mythology.org/tales/norse-creation-myth/


Why would I take a pot shot at someone elses Faith?

The truth has a way of becoming legend that in turn finds it's way to myth.

All creation stories have a touch of truth. Some more so then others but all of them that I have studied have a touch of truth to them.
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Message 1530034 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 22:08:02 UTC - in response to Message 1529999.  

+1 for damn sure...
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Message 1530035 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 22:08:51 UTC - in response to Message 1530023.  

Perhaps... ...either or.
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Message 1530038 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 22:09:44 UTC - in response to Message 1530031.  

Crazy train is boarding now...
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Message 1530043 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 22:25:03 UTC

It is? ;)
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Message 1530046 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 22:29:46 UTC

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Message 1530058 - Posted: 19 Jun 2014, 23:20:55 UTC - in response to Message 1529971.  

Intelligent Design is not creationism. This is a red herring, why would I expect more from you all.... :-( Sad, very sad...

Creationism is a 6 day scenario. Pick up most any rock and that can be disproved.

Intelligent Design knows the universe is almost 14 billion years old and the earth almost 5 billion.

You have failed to do the reading or you are intentionally misleading...

Surely you must have seen my link in msg 1527253 which proves that this title "Intelligent Design" was a substitute for Creationism.

and if that link is good enough for you then just google "cdesign of panda's and men". cdesign by itself brings up several companies that use that name as well.
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