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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30906 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Causal Agent will do. http://www.vorpal.us/2007/10/the-five-ways-of-st-thomas-aquinas-are-all-dead-ends/ |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Intelligent Design might work as a hypothesis if we could discuss - and experimentally prove - where the designer came from. Did he/it evolve, or what? Revelation 1:8 It is so obvious why can't everyone see this? . |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
It is not up to Intelligent Design to define the designer/causal agent for the person. Ideas of what or who the causal agent is varies and that is a personal summation. Causal Agent will do. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
Good Morning Intelligent Design and everyone ::Waves:: if an Intelligent Designer or a God made the Cosmos, then you have to ask the next question, who made God or the Intelligent Designer ? Best Wishes, Byron |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Good Morning Intelligent Design and everyone ::Waves:: I reckon you missed that 'unmoved mover' part in this link? Best Wishes, Robert Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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brendan Send message Joined: 2 Sep 99 Posts: 165 Credit: 7,294,631 RAC: 0 |
Good Morning Intelligent Design and everyone ::Waves:: And let me add... Is belief in a God or a Designer required to live a moral, upright and fullfilled life? My response would be a very big NO! |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Good Morning Intelligent Design and everyone ::Waves:: That's for the individual to choose so, Brendan:) rOZZ Music Pictures |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19301 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Good Morning Intelligent Design and everyone ::Waves:: What is your "absolute frame of reference"? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30906 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And let me add... Is belief in a God or a Designer required to live a moral, upright and fullfilled life? I think it (belief) actually prevents being able to live a moral and upright life. |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
I am an atheist so I don't believe in God. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? No no! That doesn't happen anymore! Except maybe the Muslims who sacrifice a sheep. Nowadays imo, people 'use' religion to find comfort and to have 'something' to 'believe' in. Those stories about Job or Mozes, they never happened imo, they were written to have a symbolical meaning, to broaden once horizon on a spiritual level. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? Julie, I've always thought that people can believe whatever they want and whatever brings them comfort. I draw the line when they use those beliefs to justify actions that directly effect me...which, being female, seems to happen more than you'd think. Reality Internet Personality |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? I've never experienced a situation like that before myself, Es, sorry to hear:( Truth is, every person is different and has his or her own perception of faith, and some people can get nasty because of that:( rOZZ Music Pictures |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Atheists Negatively Affect Me Every Day. Being HuWoMan, this seems to Happen mO Often than nOt. Getting Tired of Atheists COntrOlling and Affecting My Life. ' ' May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? Well if you agree with their views, it won't affect you. You'll do what you wanna do and its all good. Reality Internet Personality |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? Disagreement is in me, believe me! It goes further than the interaction with people...death and stuff... [edit] I will never force my views upon someone else, that's a fact too:) rOZZ Music Pictures |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
OK suppose there is a "designer", so what. Are we supposed to fear HIM and sacrifice our children to HIM like Jephthah did in in Judges 11? For me to define the Causal Agent for the student would be me forcing my Faith on another. I cannot and will not do that, not for me to say. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Atheists Negatively Affect Me Every Day. Being HuWoMan, this seems to Happen mO Often than nOt. +1 :-) Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
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