Netherlands Dude/Dudette said:

but is that a reason to just let the guy rot and die?

I do. Yes.

Now we get more Kidnappings, and PitifulPeacePrizin'PrisonerExchangeYouCanBelieveInPOtus can Empty Gitmo with HIS 'Exchange Program'.

BRILLIANT

da Crunchin' Troll Wannabe

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

So why didn't the EU step in when the Indian government stuck those guards from the ship they impounded in the Indian Ocean in prison without a trial?

After all, the majority of them were European.

You mean the people from the MV Seaman Guard Ohio?

One, as far as I can tell, only 6 of the 35 were European. Second, they weren't part of any army, they were part of a private security firm. Three, its not the EU's job to negotiate on their behalf. If anyone has to try to get these British people out, its the British government. But, it is under no obligation given that these people were part of a private security firm.

If you wanna attack the EU, make sure you know your facts, including whether the EU is even responsible in such events.

You do not think there is a difference between losing you life over a 'Captured Buddy', and dying for a possible deserter? Ask their (the dead) parents what THEY think.

You appear to think Soldiers lives are cheap. Your morality is lacking.

How do you know he is a deserter? Its innocent until proven guilty. Therefor, it is impossible to tell if someone is a deserter before such a person has had a fair trial.

And my morality is lacking? Youre the one who is ready to let people who risked their lives for your country rot and die in some Taliban cave because you think he is a deserter without even knowing it for sure.

So why didn't the EU step in when the Indian government stuck those guards from the ship they impounded in the Indian Ocean in prison without a trial?

After all, the majority of them were European.

You mean the people from the MV Seaman Guard Ohio?

One, as far as I can tell, only 6 of the 35 were European. Second, they weren't part of any army, they were part of a private security firm. Three, its not the EU's job to negotiate on their behalf. If anyone has to try to get these British people out, its the British government. But, it is under no obligation given that these people were part of a private security firm.

If you wanna attack the EU, make sure you know your facts, including whether the EU is even responsible in such events.

but you want a centralised European economic, political & strategic union. Britain is part of the EU so it's the EU's job to secure all sealanes & the goods for Europe & Britain...

...or is it a case of underlings are there to serve you rather than the community itself?

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but you want a centralised European economic, political & strategic union. Britain is part of the EU so it's the EU's job to secure all sealanes & the goods for Europe & Britain...

...or is it a case of underlings are there to serve you rather than the community itself?

Just because I want that doesn't mean that actually makes it the EU's job. The EU is not a centralized union, its job is not to secure Europes sealanes, those people weren't part of an EU mission to secure those sealanes so it makes no sense to blame the EU for not getting involved.

Jeez, in what universe does this kind of logic make any kind of sense?

but you want a centralised European economic, political & strategic union. Britain is part of the EU so it's the EU's job to secure all sealanes & the goods for Europe & Britain...

...or is it a case of underlings are there to serve you rather than the community itself?

Just because I want that doesn't mean that actually makes it the EU's job. The EU is not a centralized union, its job is not to secure Europes sealanes, those people weren't part of an EU mission to secure those sealanes so it makes no sense to blame the EU for not getting involved.

Jeez, in what universe does this kind of logic make any kind of sense?

Your logic because that's the way you want the EU to head. One centralised power to take care of everything. If not, return to individual nations. You seem to want your bread buttered on both sides.

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The process of getting Sgt. Bergdahl returned has been going on since 2011 and has been in the public domain since 2012, even listing the five Taliban by name, and available to anyone who took the time to look. BTW, three of these five individuals were captured in the first days of the war, and in all this time there has never been any evidence to charge them with, if there were they would have been charged by now. If we go by what has happened in the past release of prisoners from Gitmo, there is a possibility that only one of the five will return to the battlefield.

The conservatives (Tea/Republican) party has had this knowledge for some time. These same people who for the last 2~3 years have championed the release of Sgt. Bergdahl have now found it political advantageous to smear the administration, the Sgt., and his family. When he was first released just about everyone of them celebrated in his release with tweets, within four days all of those tweets were deleted. This fake outrage is the height of hypocrisy, but that is the way this country has been going lately.

The army has already stated that there is no condusive evidence that the death of the six soldiers in question is attributed to Bergdahl's disappearance. This will also be looked into by the Pentagon Investigation. I point again to http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/middleeast/can-gi-be-tied-to-6-lost-lives-facts-are-murky.html?_r=0

It WASN'T the Taliban who had him.

'Innocent till proven guilty' is about US Justice. Not personnel feeling. You are very confused about the term.

What exactly is YOUR experience regarding putting YOUR life on the line for soldier's in your Unit?

I will allow that your apparent 'lack of morality' is as a result of your ignorance in these affairs.

If it wasn't the Taliban, then who was it and do you had condusive proof of who they were?

Yes, 'Innocent till proven guilty' is about U.S. Justice, which is what I've been attempting to drill into your hard heads since I've started posting on this thread. It is not a personnel feeling and is not governed by mob rule as has been happening over the last several days, calling for the Sgt.'s head without absolute condusive proof of his guilt. As a veteran with three combat tours under my belt, I'm calling out all those who have charged and convicted this man with at least hearing his side of the matter on your lack of morality.

In general, your previous posts have been in complete opposite of what I and others have been saying on this subject, and then one of you have the nerve to tell someone that they are confused about the term; then again talking about the height of hypocrisy. There are some on this thread that think that all of these posts are nothing but bu..sh.. around the kitchen table and take slight of what is happening, but to me it is a very serious topic and should be taken as such. I don't know, maybe it's the difference between the generations, boomer vs. X, all of us vs. just me attitude.

If I have honestly hurt anyone's feeling by speaking bluntly, then I apologize. As a veteran and a strong believer in a soldier's rights (veteran, currently active or future), and a strong believer in this administration, I take all of this very seriously.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

but you want a centralised European economic, political & strategic union. Britain is part of the EU so it's the EU's job to secure all sealanes & the goods for Europe & Britain...

...or is it a case of underlings are there to serve you rather than the community itself?

Just because I want that doesn't mean that actually makes it the EU's job. The EU is not a centralized union, its job is not to secure Europes sealanes, those people weren't part of an EU mission to secure those sealanes so it makes no sense to blame the EU for not getting involved.

Jeez, in what universe does this kind of logic make any kind of sense?

Your logic because that's the way you want the EU to head. One centralised power to take care of everything. If not, return to individual nations. You seem to want your bread buttered on both sides.

First of all, I don't want the EU to handle everything. I believe in a division of labor and a division of power. Yes, the EU should have more power than it has now, but that does not mean that I want everything to be regulated by Brussels.

Second of all, if you want to criticize the EU of something, fine, but it makes no sense to criticize it for not doing something in a case in which it has absolutely nothing to say because it falls outside of its scope for various reasons. Again, its not the EU's job to negotiate for captured EU citizens, its not the EU's job to keep the sea lanes in the Indian Ocean safe and these people weren't even part of any official military organization or part of an EU mission in the area. Why would I criticize the EU for not doing anything about it when its not their business in the first place?

When did I call for his head? Other's did. I was replying to those who stated it didn't matter is other's lost their lives attempting a rescue. I stated it DID. IF Desertion, or Treason can be proven. I still consider their opinion immoral.

The thing is, you considered my opinion immoral even before desertion or treason was even properly investigated.

Mission accomplish by those who knew what happened; no "hero's" welcome until after the courts martial.
The Vietnam POWs, some who spent 7 years in "tiger cages", were reunited with their families within a week after their return.

It's deja vu allover again sneaking, troops home to avoid the adoring crowds OR is the Private under arrest.
I do know the Army doesn't do politics, much less public politics, very well.

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The Vietnam POWs, some who spent 7 years in "tiger cages", were reunited with their families within a week after their return

WE know a lot more about PTSD now.

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The Vietnam POWs, some who spent 7 years in "tiger cages", were reunited with their families within a week after their return

WE know a lot more about PTSD now.

The Private is restricted and not in a ticker tape parade down Broadway. The shame of it all.

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betreger said:

WE know a lot more about PTSD now.

If Pvt BO Diddley Squat had Gone Through The Meat Grinder of Omaha Beach, and then Quietly Left his unit, I would care about Physical and Mental Problems.

As it was... I Gots Zero Empathy/Sympathy for his Well Being.

Brig. Now.

da Crunchin' Troll Wannabe

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Well Dull you don't know what happened but you spout off a lot. Pure BS on your part. In due time a determination will be made.

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It is a sad day for the Army Airborne when they take the Coast Guard's rejects. Bowe Bergdahl was discharged from the Coast Guard after 26 days of boot camp in 2006, two years before he enlisted in the Army, a Coast Guard official told NBC News. The guy is a fruitcake and F'up but the Army knew this when they signed him up. The Army needed a few more good men because of Obama's massive troop buildup in Afghanistan.

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The guy is a fruitcake and F'up but the Army knew this when they signed him up. The Army needed a few more good men because of Obama's massive troop buildup in Afghanistan.

Therefore because we hired him we have no responibilty for his return?
In my time they drafted many who were fot fit to serve in a military job.

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The guy is a fruitcake and F'up but the Army knew this when they signed him up. The Army needed a few more good men because of Obama's massive troop buildup in Afghanistan.

Therefore because we hired him we have no responibilty for his return?
In my time they drafted many who were fot fit to serve in a military job.

What is done is done. I'm interested in why this happened. I said fruitcake and not deserter. So now the question is why was this guy put in a front line infantry unit when he was mentally unfit for the Coast Guard after 26 days.

As for conscripts in Vietnam, none went tip toeing through the tulips to Uncle Ho's house.

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As for conscripts in Vietnam, none went tip toeing through the tulips to Uncle Ho's house.

BS, plenty got really f'd up much more than they deserved.

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As for conscripts in Vietnam, none went tip toeing through the tulips to Uncle Ho's house.

BS, plenty got really f'd up much more than they deserved.

You misread that big time. Tip toeing away is what the Private did and got captured. Anyway the Army aggravated an existing condition they knew about so the Private gets a medical discharge and 100% combat disabled compensation. The politicians should be cast in the lake that burns with fire.

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The politicians should be cast in the lake that burns with fire.

Yes

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