Ok, thanks for additional details, but looks like besides of wrong naming I was quite generally correct in other statements.

So well, how do you think, if Scotland supposedly would leave UK and form separate state, would be right if "Scotland for Scots" statement will be baseline of one of biggest Scotland political parties, if rallies would be carried with statements like "Non-Scots - bags-railroad-London" or alike ?

EDIT: and how do you think would such things if they would supposedly take place alienate peoples in other parts of UK, in London for example?

Looks like this question was silently ignored. But would be very interesting for modern UK peoples just imagine such situation and then to think how would they like it ?

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Ok, thanks for additional details, but looks like besides of wrong naming I was quite generally correct in other statements.

So well, how do you think, if Scotland supposedly would leave UK and form separate state, would be right if "Scotland for Scots" statement will be baseline of one of biggest Scotland political parties, if rallies would be carried with statements like "Non-Scots - bags-railroad-London" or alike ?

EDIT: and how do you think would such things if they would supposedly take place alienate peoples in other parts of UK, in London for example?

Looks like this question was silently ignored. But would be very interesting for modern UK peoples just imagine such situation and then to think how would they like it ?

Not ignored, just don't understand, if rallies would be carried with statements like "Non-Scots - bags-railroad-London" or alike ?

Ok, thanks for additional details, but looks like besides of wrong naming I was quite generally correct in other statements.

So well, how do you think, if Scotland supposedly would leave UK and form separate state, would be right if "Scotland for Scots" statement will be baseline of one of biggest Scotland political parties, if rallies would be carried with statements like "Non-Scots - bags-railroad-London" or alike ?

EDIT: and how do you think would such things if they would supposedly take place alienate peoples in other parts of UK, in London for example?

Looks like this question was silently ignored. But would be very interesting for modern UK peoples just imagine such situation and then to think how would they like it ?

Not ignored, just don't understand, if rallies would be carried with statements like "Non-Scots - bags-railroad-London" or alike ?

Rally, Mass-meeting.. how you call crowd that shout some slogans?
And what if that slogan will be just as I mentioned, let say "Brits - go away from Scotland, bags-railroad-London" ? Would it be good?

EDIT: and how let say those Brits that born in Scotland, those fathers were born in Scotland, would react?...

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As a Scot, and a Brit.....
The English are welcome to the mess they have created.

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As a Paddy, I endorse that sentiment :-)

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As a Scot, and a Brit.....
The English are welcome to the mess they have created.

As a Paddy, I endorse that sentiment :-)

Thank you Rob and Sirius :) may I agree with you? I am English, but... :)

ooh - late edit... I don't know if you should trust us to sort it out though... :)

It would be a lot easier to trust monkeys in a zoo than the lot we have atm.

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More news on northern isles and their possible independence from Scotland.

Reuters - Scottish islanders seek votes for own independence

Winterknight, so, I explained my question enough for it to be answered?

[Why is so important: there is such term as double standards. And I wanna see how it will be applied here ;) ]

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Winterknight, so, I explained my question enough for it to be answered?

[Why is so important: there is such term as double standards. And I wanna see how it will be applied here ;) ]

I don't think the people who have moved to different parts of the UK will cause any problems. If an independent Scotland objects to people from England living there, they have to remember about twice as many Scots live in England.

And I assume that the Scots will not object to any Welsh or Irish people living in Scotland, because one, they are also Celts and two, they tend to follow the lead of Scotland in wanting greater powers for themselves. So the Scots need the support of the other Celts.

Recent polls in England have said. "They would prefer Scotland to stay within the UK." Scottish independence: 60% of English and Welsh want Scots to stay in UK. There may be some more answers to question you haven't ask yet in there.

It doesn't answer my question at all. But thanks, it's enough for me to see.

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It doesn't answer my question at all. But thanks, it's enough for me to see.

The reason I cannot answer your question is because I cannot see the situation arising.

The only problems I can see that will trouble the English are, will my Whisky supplies be ok, and will I need a passport when visiting Scotland, if it is independent.

It doesn't answer my question at all. But thanks, it's enough for me to see.

The reason I cannot answer your question is because I cannot see the situation arising.

The only problems I can see that will trouble the English are, will my Whisky supplies be ok, and will I need a passport when visiting Scotland, if it is independent.

I did not say that such situation will arise, and I honestly hope that such situation even can't happen there at all. That's why I asked to use imagination for "supposedly could be" situation. What reaction would be if such situation would happen? Too speculative question? Well, ok.

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Looks like the Outer Hebrides are serious about splitting from Scotland if the vote is yes.

Shetland, Orkney and the Outer Hebrides demand independence referendums of their own if Scotland votes 'yes'

So much for diplomacy, more like political blackmail......

Ozzie denies currency deal claim

"The UK wants to keep Trident nuclear weapons at Faslane and the Scottish government wants a currency union - you can see the outlines of a deal."

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Personally, as an Englishman, with 25% Scottish Ancestry, I really don't care whether Scotland leaves the Union, entirely their bag as far as I'm concerned, but I object to them wanting to retain currency union if they decide to go, since in a divorce you don't share a bank account with your ex-partner.

I think they are mad to do so of course, but who says people have to be sane these days? Live and let live I say.

Couple of things that weren't challenged in this long thread, please don't slip into the political rhetoric of the SNP when talking about the Union or the United Kingdom. Every time he mentions 'Westminster' he means the Government of the UK, every time he mentions 'England' or the 'English', he means the Government of the UK. There is no English Parliament, or English Government, and quite frankly, as someone who would like either I find it offensive to talk about something that the English have been denied since the Union, and particularly since the creation of the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly, and indeed Northern Ireland Assembly.

I want an English Parliament with devolved powers from the Government of the United Kingdom, ok, just thought I'd set out my stall here.

There is one thing I would be able to vote upon, and remember that I have Scottish Ancestry, and that is to vote NO to re-unification with Scotland if they attempt to return cap in hand, having found the grass wasn't greener. The fact is I'd never re-marry the same person following a divorce, the trust just wouldn't be there, from either of us, so it would always be NO.

In addition, I'd also like to state that I am a member of UKIP, and am not a racist xenophobe bigot for wanting Independence from the European Union, I'm a former Labour supporter, NHS Worker, and Union activist, so my background is nothing like a retired half colonel that is painted as a pigeon-hole for UKIP Members. I am very much from a caring profession, and the accusations of racism has frankly just hardened my attitude to the Labour Party and left wingers in general.

All I want is a points based immigration system, similar to those operated by Australia and New Zealand (neither country would allow me to emigrate there by the way, as I'm too old and don't have the money), I want immigrants to the UK to be valued worthwhile hard working members of the workforce, but as they have not contributed to anything, they will have to pay for their own health insurance for the first five years, and during those five years, pay taxes to HMRC, and after five years they would then be able to claim free education for their children, free NHS Treatment, and benefits.

Now, Australia and New Zealand operate a similar system, yet they aren't labelled racist are they?

I can't believe that allowing 485 Million EU Citizens complete open free access to live and work and claim benefits from the UK is a credible argument for anyone, we're a small island, overcrowded as it is, such a policy is unsustainable.

I want out of the European Experiment, the EU, and if that upsets certain sectors of British Business then tough, and if that means up to two million Brits will have to return from Europe, then tough, because there's 60+ Million British Citizens, and as far as I'm aware, the will of the majority is what makes decisions here.

So in short, who cares what Scotland does, and bye bye Europe.

There, no I feel better after thats off me chest...NEXT

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Oooh, careful there laddie or you'll be labelled a bolshi Irishman...

..Oh wait, you've declared you're an Englishman.....

...poor Taffy, he won't like that!

Best post ever on this thread :-)

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I would submit that standing together as the UK would better serve all your interests in the upcoming, likely extremely unfortunate world the future holds.

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I would submit that standing together as the UK would better serve all your interests in the upcoming, likely extremely unfortunate world the future holds.

Hi Peeper how are you?! :)

Sort of in keeping with your thought above, I think... and there's a map too :)

Historian's view (possibly before his first coffee, poor love :))

Typical, instead of blaming Misfit, he blames the Irish :-)

"He told us: "All political entities fall apart sooner or later. It’s just a question of when. The United Kingdom began to break up in 1922 when the Irish Free State was formed. English people have forgotten that."

So Jocks, T/S, we destroyed the UK, not you!

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