Should Scotland leave the UK?

Don't know...

Um... Let's see what the Guardian says! (he he he he he - sorry Chris, have edited it down for brevity)

If you draw a median line out across the North Sea from the border then 90% of the oil tax revenues will accrue to Scotland. If the calculation is done on the basis of population then that figure will be reduced to 9%,

The Geneva agreement on natural resources under the sea dictates that they are divided by the median lines. Most people accept that the Geneva approach is the standard approach. Which gives Scotland 91% of revenues.

The SNP like to point to Norway as an economic model because that Scandinavian nation has a small population of 5m similar to Scotland and yet is now sitting on a national pension fund worth over £300bn.

Britain meanwhile has spent its hydrocarbon inheritance as it was produced, something Salmond has promised he would no longer do. He likes to argue that an independent Scotland could raise £54bn from tax revenues in the next five years, underwriting the country's ability to pay off debt and rebuild the local economy.

The oil industry believes it has plenty to moan about when it comes to London.

It's the last line that gets me... cos I too have plenty to moan about when it comes to London... I live in it for a start. (Did that come out right? Doesn't matter! Keep moving people, keep moving.)

I think what I'm trying to say is - I can't BELIEVE I've found something I agree with the oil industry on @.@

Need to lie down now - dizzy.

If you see me lolling about anywhere please be so kind as to step OVER me.

:)

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oh...and did we say we like humans too? Well we do :)

Should Scotland leave the UK?

Don't know...

Um... Let's see what the Guardian says! (he he he he he - sorry Chris, have edited it down for brevity)

If you draw a median line out across the North Sea from the border then 90% of the oil tax revenues will accrue to Scotland. If the calculation is done on the basis of population then that figure will be reduced to 9%,

The Geneva agreement on natural resources under the sea dictates that they are divided by the median lines. Most people accept that the Geneva approach is the standard approach. Which gives Scotland 91% of revenues.

The SNP like to point to Norway as an economic model because that Scandinavian nation has a small population of 5m similar to Scotland and yet is now sitting on a national pension fund worth over £300bn.

Britain meanwhile has spent its hydrocarbon inheritance as it was produced, something Salmond has promised he would no longer do. He likes to argue that an independent Scotland could raise £54bn from tax revenues in the next five years, underwriting the country's ability to pay off debt and rebuild the local economy.

The oil industry believes it has plenty to moan about when it comes to London.

It's the last line that gets me... cos I too have plenty to moan about when it comes to London... I live in it for a start. (Did that come out right? Doesn't matter! Keep moving people, keep moving.)

I think what I'm trying to say is - I can't BELIEVE I've found something I agree with the oil industry on @.@

Need to lie down now - dizzy.

If you see me lolling about anywhere please be so kind as to step OVER me.

:)

You are assuming that the Northern Isles wish to remain part of Scotland. Which raises the question "Are the Northern Isles part of Scotland?" there is no evidence to prove they are.
http://www.shetnews.co.uk/features/scottish-independence-debate/

Edit] Just seen this BBC - Scottish independence: Shell boss wants Scotland to 'remain in UK'

You are assuming that the Northern Isles wish to remain part of Scotland. Which raises the question "Are the Northern Isles part of Scotland?" there is no evidence to prove they are.
http://www.shetnews.co.uk/features/scottish-independence-debate/

Edit] Just seen this BBC - Scottish independence: Shell boss wants Scotland to 'remain in UK'

Hi there. Thanks for the links!

I didn't mean to imply any assumptions on my part - so sorry. :) I had noticed that apart from a brief mention in an an earlier posting, the question of the oil reserves (dwindling though they may be) had yet to be discussed at any length. I thought it might add an extra dimension to this thread - and it has thanks to you and your posting. :)

I genuinely don't know what the path of least collateral damage would be for either Scotland or the UK as a whole. I do know the parading of views by politician after politician, in love with the sound of their own voice, and drumming up press opportunities like dogs seeking a crotch to sniff at, is beginning to somewhat get up my nose.

Hope you're having a lovely day! :)

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oh...and did we say we like humans too? Well we do :)

Oh well, time for Johnnie Walker's, Sturgeon's and Salmon(d)'s....

Currency union refusal "Final"

Banks say formal currency union "Unlikely"

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Well at least Scotland was good for something.....

Scotland & the Spanish Armada

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Well, we are aware of the three "R's", MP coins a new phrase......

The Three "D's"

"Dishonest, Deceptive and Disgraceful".

Says it all really about politicians!

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I see mostly UK and few USA citizens in this thread so would like to add some diversity in participants range asking few questions.


1) do I understand right that there is such nation as the Scotch?

2) do I understand right that they represent biggest % of population of Scotland?

3) do I understand right that nevertheless on the same territory live many other peoples that can't be called as Scotch in strict term?

Thanks.

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We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.

I see mostly UK and few USA citizens in this thread so would like to add some diversity in participants range asking few questions.


1) do I understand right that there is such nation as the Scotch?

The country is called Scotland and its native people are called Scots.

But these are mainly from two ancients groups the Celts and the Picts. And Scotland is divided, like many other countries, with Highlanders and Lowlanders.

The Northern Isles, Orkney and Shetland, are mainly inhabited with Vikings from Norway.
The Southern counties of Scotland at one time were part of Northumberland, the most northern county of England. Northumberland was at one time a separate Kingdom.

2) do I understand right that they represent biggest % of population of Scotland?

If you regard the Celts and Picts as being the Scots, Yes.

3) do I understand right that nevertheless on the same territory live many other peoples that can't be called as Scotch in strict term?

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Only about 7% of the population are recent immigrants.

The Scots, as a people, are spread over much of the globe, possibly as many overseas as within the bounds of "their own" country. We even "lent" England our King at the union of the thrones James VI of Scotland became James I of England, James VI of Scotland.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Today Scotland is one of the countries of the United Kingdom and the majority of people living in Scotland are British citizens.

Debatable!

Subjects or Citizens?

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But are British people subjects or citizens? The short answer is that we are probably both - a very British compromise

That report was dated January 2005, so hardly relevant today I would have thought, and in any case it isn't really debatable at all, the report was simply incorrect.

The term British subject currently refers, in British nationality law, to a limited class of people defined by Part IV of the British Nationality Act 1981. Under that Act, two groups of people became "British subjects"; the first were people from the Republic of Ireland born before 1949 who already claimed subject status, and the second covered a number of people who had previously been considered "British subjects without citizenship", and were not considered citizens of any other country. This second group were predominantly residents of colonies which had become independent, but who had not become citizens of the new country. The status cannot be inherited, and is lost on the acquisition of any other citizenship; it will therefore cease to exist on the death of the last remaining subjects.

Slight contradiction here....

Overall they are also known as the British Isles, and generically all people are known as British, or the Brits. So you can be Welsh, Irish, or Scottish, and still be a British citizen as well.

You sure about that?

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You sure about that?

If you have evidence to the contrary, then please post it for all of us to see.

You are already aware as it has been posted way back, but for those with Short Term Memory Loss......

Both parents born before 1949 so they were British subjects and entitled to British passports which they had no problem in getting issued.

I cannot & I'm damned if I'm going to pay hundreds so that I can obtain one. Quite happy with my EU Enabled Passport

Also, as posted way back in one of my threads was the case of a Jamaican who worked all his life on London Transport and on retiring was told he had to leave the country....

This second group were predominantly residents of colonies which had become independent, but who had not become citizens of the new country. The status cannot be inherited, and is lost on the acquisition of any other citizenship; it will therefore cease to exist on the death of the last remaining subjects.

Didn't do him much good did it?

...forgetful chappie aren't you!

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Incorrect, it is not a sore point, just hate the duplicity. Case in point, main reason why I cannot is because I was born after 1949 so that is to be expected.

However certain countries got their independence in 1947, yet they are still entitled to one today?

So what price independence and the rule of law?

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Don't know, but should Scotland vote for independence and Westminster will not let them retain Sterling, what will be the situation with regards to them holding British Passports?

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As far as I know - the right to British citizenship as a second generation citizen (a child born in an ex British colony to British parents) only applies/applied to those born before 1981. I think that was an amendment brought in during Margaret Thatcher's premiership. It did allow for dual citizenship - although many, like myself, were technically "stateless" owing to the movements of my English parents.

This probably has changed in recent years, so I bow to all superior knowledge there :)

Also, many Scots emigrated to various parts of Africa too. I'd be curious as to what impact they might have on a referendum were they entitled to vote. But that's just my brain musing away - as it does sometimes :) because many of them had shall we say ... issues with the English :)

The passport situation is fairly clear - Scots living in Scotland would be entitled to their own national passport. The current proposal is that Scots living in the rest of the UK would be entitled to both a "Reduced UK" (my description for E, W & NI) and a Scottish passport. Now as one falling into the latter category I'm looking forward to having dual nationality, two passports etc. ;-) (So long as I can choose to pay my taxes to the nation with the lowest tax rates that is.)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Who doesn't? :-)

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Who doesn't? :-)

Um.........

sorry... you've drawn a blank Sirius... no... not even the English don't have issues with the English :)

Lol, so that must be the reason why the Jocks want independence then.

Always thought it was a funny reason :-)

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