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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21204 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
One to make your head hurt and go cross-eyed: The Register: Is lightspeed really a limit? Solving super-luminal Special Relativity without breaking Einstein... ... I freely admit that I was gasping to keep up during this interview. Strike that: I was failing to keep up. Mathematics is nowhere near as amenable to the metaphoric explanations that make physics sometimes accessible to mere mortals... All very plausible apart from the minor details of (a) getting there, and (b) tripping over the mathematical singularity... Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Johnney Guinness Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 3093 Credit: 2,652,287 RAC: 0 |
Sounds like mathematical nonsense. But an entertaining story at the same time! John. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Maybe we need Scotty to work on them engines..... & beam us up occasionally. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I believe that information can travel faster than light, as in the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox, but nothing having mass/energy. Tullio |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
But isn't the only way information can travel is on a medium, thus it has mass/energy and is also limited to the speed of light? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21204 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Cherenkov radiation could well be a good teaser onto faster things... It's all relative... Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Maybe Kpax had the answer and thoughts can span the galaxy instantaniously. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
But isn't the only way information can travel is on a medium, thus it has mass/energy and is also limited to the speed of light? Yes, but I was talking about entangled particles, Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Tullio See if you can transmit a message using entangled particles. I suggest that you could only tell the state of a faraway particle and not influence that state to send information. In other words you would not lessen the uncertainty of the information stream--hence no message and infinite signal to noise ratio. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Tullio I am only trying to think. Suppose you measure qubit A and determine if it is zero or one. Would not the observer of qubit B, distant a million km, receive an information? |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
I am only trying to think. Suppose you measure qubit A and determine if it is zero or one. Would not the observer of qubit B, distant a million km, receive an information? He would receive the information any time that he looked at the spin state of the remote particle. He could not control the state and send the entangled particle across the universe faster the speed of light. I claim the state is determined--Just as Schroedinger's cat-- all you had to do was look. I don't believe the looking caused the state--I guess I need to revisit the two-slit experiment once again. I know that a Qubit has three states and may be a more efficient coding scheme than binary. I still don't see the advantage of a quantum computer this yet--still looking for an explanation. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
No. a qubit has two states, but 2 qubits have 4 states, 3 qubits 8 states and n qubits 2expn possible states. So the state space expands very rapidly. The people from D-Wave, a Canadian firm which managed the AQUA@home BOINC project and sold a so called "quantum computer" to Lockheed-Martin for a hundred million dollars, then disappearing from BOINC, have recently published a paper in a "Nature" publication titled "Finding low-energy conformations of lattice protein models by quantum annealing". They have used a so called "quantum computer" built by them using up to 81 superconducting quantum bits. I have published an article on this subject on the Italian edition of the MIT Technology Review in 1996, together witha friend. This is a very lively field of research. Tullio |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
I have always believed that things can travel faster than light, I just don't have the scientific knowledge to prove it. Until someone else does it is just simply my opinion which I cannot back up. I can happily live with that :-) Nothing wrong with that Chris for I'm darn certain that there are things that can travel faster too. There has been some from the science fraternity that have stated that, "At one time past, light travelled at a faster speed than it does currently today". There could be something out there that sets the speed of light, at any time, hence the speed is a function of this "something". The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
What happens then if we turn all this on it's head!! At the point of creation of the universe no light had yet to be created could all bodies have moved at infinite speed for a short period of time. Hence to travel at speeds in excess of that of the speed of light we would need to develop a system that removes or cancels the effect of light in Einstein's equation???....Chris, have you still got your old Meccano set around?? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Chris, have you still got your old Meccano set around?? That's torn it then.... Lego's too flimsy can't mount an anti-light combative motor on that! The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Grant Nelson Send message Joined: 7 May 12 Posts: 8022 Credit: 4,237,757 RAC: 0 |
I think I have a very good question, they claim the universe is 13.7 billion years old. But surly we aren't sitting right smack in the middle so how do they derive 13.7 vs maybe 27.4 or something older. |
Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
I think I have a very good question, they claim the universe is 13.7 billion years old. But surly we aren't sitting right smack in the middle so how do they derive 13.7 vs maybe 27.4 or something older. There's a few indicators that have made them come up with the 13-14 billion year old number. Observation indicates that the universe is expanding. (Cue JG and his 'there ain't no such thing as red-shift' rant! ;0) ) If things are expanding then it follows that things were closer together in the past. Calculate backward in time and somewhere between 10 and 15 billion years ago everything would have been condensed to a point. Assuming that science's best guess on stellar evolution is accurate (and I tend to think it is) then red dwarf stars can have very long lives. Some could last for hundreds of billions of years. Yet, we see no stars of any sort that are more than 10 – 12 billion years old. There are some other reasons for the 13.4 billion year estimate but the reasoning is heavily mathematical, somewhat arcane and I'll let someone who is a better author that I am to explain. Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2442 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
The story generally being told is that the Universe is some 13.7 billion years old of age. Is the reason for this assumption about the age of the Universe that we think that the Big Bang took place 13.7 billion years ago? Should we then assume that the size of the Universe is 13.7 billion light years across from one end of it to the other? I have read a couple of places that the estimated size of the Universe is some 80-85 billion light years across. Regardless of this size or number either being measured in "diameter" or "radius" - do we know which shape the Universe is having? Earlier on I also came across a speculative particle known as a "tachyon" which was thought of as having the ability to travel through space beyond the speed of light. I have not looked up this particle yet so I have still to find out more. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Maybe the ultimate question is "Why is the speed of light fixed?" and then "What makes 186,000mps special?" Why not 200,000 mps? Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2442 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
Albert Einstein's famous equation states that E=mc2. But where is time in all of this? Are we able to assume t or T for time and if so, is it a constant? Are we assuming all the time that the speed of light is a constant as well? Or maybe c rather is dependant on its environment or surroundings? We only know that time is known to be coming to a standstill inside the event horizon of black holes - the point where light or any other particles are unable to escape because of immense gravity. Possibly it may be more to it than only this way of viewing things. Time has been shown to speed up within certain areas or spots where extraterrestrial crafts have been thought to have landed here on earth. Therefore time is only relevant to the observer as seen from his or her point. We all have a sense of time as it is being generally described. For example the following question: What is the definition of the length of a second? You are always supposed to be late. Time is running when an important meeting is scheduled and you are in the morning rush and will not get there in time. Never mind. Better relax and let time run its own course. |
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