Johnnie. my son

We swung down from the trees and walked in the grassy Savannahs about 6 million years ago. The fossils of early life go back perhaps a Billion years. so your research should include a visit to a good university library and perhaps a course on paleolithic biology. The dinosaurs lived maybe 250,000,000 years ago. These data are not in dispute.

regards,

Daddio

... The Bible was not written in English, its original language was Hebrew.

The word "Elohim" is Hebrew for God, or Gods! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

... "Lost in translation"? ...

Also see Yahweh; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Seemly Yahweh was the boss man of the Elohim. He was the head guy running the show and directing what was going on. ... Yahweh is also a Hebrew word, and has also been translated to mean God. But Yahweh is a bloke, a person.

Is all that describing real people, their ideas or ideals, or perhaps the 'personification' of a cluster of ideas...

I wonder if Terry Pratchett has already unraveled the story with is book "Small Gods"?...

Note that ideas can be considered to have an immortality so long as there is someone to believe in those ideas to give them life.


Keep searchin',
Martin

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... No, the world was not made in 7 days. I don't really know why they wrote that into the bible. ... investigate to see what happened. ...

There are certainly various historical events detailed in the Christian Bible and source scriptures. There is also a lot of metaphor and propaganda... There was a lot of politics even all those thousands years ago!

My research is not concerned with how old the earth is and i don't care who created the dinosaurs. I'm only concerned with the intelligent human beings that have been here, building pyramids and stuff for the last 6 or 7 thousand years.

So... An overriding assumption is that of an ET visitation and how that story might be hidden in whatever versions of the bible?


Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

And where are 'they' now?


Keep searchin',
Martin

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So... An overriding assumption is that of an ET visitation and how that story might be hidden in whatever versions of the bible?

Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

And where are 'they' now?

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin,
I said it several times already, i'm NOT researching the bible. Yes, i do believe there is stuff "coded" into the bible if you read between the lines in what people like Jesus were saying. But to be honest i don't have the time to decode the bible, there are plenty of people who have been doing that foe the last 2,000 years.

Why our insignificant planet here?

Why NOT our insignificant planet here Martin? Its a perfectly good planet with a breathable atmosphere. Reverse the question Martin. Today, if Mars were habitable with a breathable atmosphere, the race would be on right now to grab as much land on the planet as people could get there hands on. So i assume "They" came from a habitable planet that is, lets say, "Commuting distance" from us in space terms.

John.

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Wasn't the Bible written in Greek. And weren't they speaking Aramaic at the time of Christ ??

No, the Bible was only translated in Greek. The Gospels were written in Greek.
Tullio

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and yes Jesus spoke Aramaic. That was a common language for over 1000 years along the trade routes from mediterrainian sea east to India. If you lived on the trade routes you probably spoke a local language and Aramaic. IIRC the last people to still speak Aramaic are located somewhere in central Iraq

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

My Bibbia Concordata (Mondadori 1968), edited by the Italian Biblical Society, says that Matthew's Gospel was originally written in Aramaic, then translated into Greek.
Tullio

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Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

Because it is the only one in the Solar system far enough from the sun, and yet not too far to harbour life.

That may be, but out of the billions upon billions of stars, why specifically ours?

And where are 'they' now?

We would all love to know ......

Answer: they were never here. It has been proven that the Egyptians had the technological know-how to build the pyramids, and ample enough labor to carry out the plans. Its unsurprising that many of the pyramids are related to star "cycles" being that, to them, the stars were nothing more than a wonder (and in many ways still are a wonder).

Anyway guys,
Back to the topic - 2012 - real or not?

As far as i'm aware, the Mayan calender is the only "scientific" evidence that points to something happening on December 21, 2012.

Other than people jumping on the band-waggon and guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

John.

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... guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

Your book?

BIG splash?

LOTS of Guinness?

Yeah!

:-)


Keep searchin',
Martin

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Other than people jumping on the band-waggon and guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

When December 21st 2012 comes then goes, uneventfully, perhaps people will then
once and for all drop the notion that one can foretell the future to any
degree of certainty. Well, of course one can't fortel the future other than for
natural basic logical events that we all know will/do occur in time. I can of course play this game to my
own advantage and tell you all that for those who choose to do so then the
opportunity to post to seti on 22nd December 2012 will be yours to exploit if
you so wish. No doubt you will all post on the 22nd December to say how
wonderful it is that Nick can predict the future. Well I have for you will have
this opportunity open to you, not all of you for some unfortunately may get
run-down by a bus. But my powers don't go that far to be able to make predictions
for individuals. Of course come the 22nd December 2012 I will be expecting you
all to hail me as a God or at least the next messiah..

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Other than people jumping on the band-waggon and guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

When December 21st 2012 comes then goes, uneventfully, perhaps people will then
once and for all drop the notion that one can foretell the future to any
degree of certainty. Well, of course one can't fortel the future other than for
natural basic logical events that we all know will/do occur in time. I can of course play this game to my
own advantage and tell you all that for those who choose to do so then the
opportunity to post to seti on 22nd December 2012 will be yours to exploit if
you so wish. No doubt you will all post on the 22nd December to say how
wonderful it is that Nick can predict the future. Well I have for you will have
this opportunity open to you, not all of you for some unfortunately may get
run-down by a bus. But my powers don't go that far to be able to make predictions
for individuals. Of course come the 22nd December 2012 I will be expecting you
all to hail me as a God or at least the next messiah..

No, they won't drop the notion. Gullible people will always exist, as will the prophets, soothsayers and other charlatans who prey on them.

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Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.

Albert Einstein

I am trying to plan out my Zombie outfit for the occasion.
Others will be running around with rakes and shovels.

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Janice

Isn't the Bible simply a collection of four Gospels (New Testament)

Isn't the Bible simply a collection of four Gospels (New Testament)

The Bible is much more than that. There are the Old Testament (Torah in Hebrew) and the New Testament (the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles). I have a Bible with both, and it has the approval of a Catholic bishop, of Rabbi Elio Toaff from Rome, of a Protestant monk and an Orthodox Patriarch. It is called Bibbia Concordata, published in 1968. Incidentally, the first Italian edition of the Bible was made by a Lucca banker, Giovanni Diodati, in Geneve in 1607. He was from Lucca, went to Geneve, Switzerland, to pursue his interests, bacame Calvinist and translated the Bible, a fact not possible in Catholic states at that time.
Tullio

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Thank you Tullio. Interesting. What do you know about the dead sea scrolls. Why were they kept secret by a French priest for a number of years.

Thank you Tullio. Interesting. What do you know about the dead sea scrolls. Why were they kept secret by a French priest for a number of years.

I am only a Christian, not a Bible scholar. I only remember that the Qumran papyrus were in the possession of a Jewish group of scholars who did not want to leave them to be examined by other non-Jewish Bible scholars (our Cardinal Martini, former archbishop of Milan was and still is a Bible scholar). But I think they have been digitized and put on line, so any scholar can examine them.They have confirmed the texts of much later Bible editions, for all I know. Cheers.
Tullio
Edit The NYTimss of October 28 2011 says that Google is digitizing the scrolls and putting them at dss.collections.imj.org.il/.

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Thank you Tullio. Interesting. What do you know about the dead sea scrolls. Why were they kept secret by a French priest for a number of years.

Surprisingly, I believe the wording used in the books of the scrolls, was very close to the latin bible the current (non KJ) is translated from...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

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#resist

My source, the Bibbia Concordata, says that the Latin version of St.Jerome, IV century after Christ, called "Vulgata", was based on original Hebrew texts and not on the Greek version made in Alexandria of Egypt in the III and II century before Christ by 72 translators, and called therefore "Seventy".
Tullio

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