crap here comes metric time

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Diogenes Of Sinope

A few years ago a genious in the Portuguese government decided that we should change our our to CET.

The crap was so huge that couple months afterwards we moved back to GMT.

I still don't understand why the bloody french are still trying to convince the world that they are the centre of the universe.

France would be a wonderfull country, without the french ;)

A few years ago a genious in the Portuguese government decided that we should change our our to CET.

The crap was so huge that couple months afterwards we moved back to GMT.

I still don't understand why the bloody french are still trying to convince the world that they are the centre of the universe.

France would be a wonderfull country, without the french ;)

They know how to make enemies don't they! I have said this here on Seti before and that if Charles de gaulle was to rise from his grave he would be horrified to see how the Common Market has developed. He, when alive, stated that to try and form the Common Market into any form of a European State will lead to disaster and the potential for another great European war. The French are doing their damdest to prove him right!!

I thought GMT was long long dead in favor of TAI Brits started using it in 1955.

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[quote]Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is a more accurate day than is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), and UTC is more accurate than GMT. Which of these two is true in your particular case depends on what you are seeking to measure.

Trying to measure time, something that the multidimensional universe has no need for. Only us who reside in it's inner three dimensional structure experience the sensation of time....Ooooow, I do like going-on about "time".

Ditto on feelings about France, nice country shame about the French.

The trouble here is Chris that most of the world feel this way too about the French. It's their politicians more than the ordinary man/woman in the street I think people dislike the most.

I thought that the atomic clock that the world now uses is in the USA. So if Greenwich is dropped and the prime meridian moved to a new location who is going to pay for the changes to all the maps and globes? The French?

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I think that this is a simple case of the Scientific community wanting to do something for their own reasons which doesn't sit well with the General public. And of course the press are loving it. I can't see why we can't keep GMT for all general day to day purposes, but use some alternative atomic timescale for science applications. Then everyone is happy :-)

Note that the time used for GPS is about 15 seconds different from UTC. It will diverge away further.

Note also that UTC is an 'average' from multiple atomic clocks from around the world.

I just hope there is no silly politics for who has the prestige of 'control' for something so fundamental.


Keep searchin',
Martin

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Expect Shanghai Mean Time in 20 years the pre-condition is every G8 countries are begging money from Beijing.

These things always related to political and economic strategies.

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Mandtugai!

Expect Shanghai Mean Time in 20 years

We could get Pakistan Mean Time, or PMT. Oh wait we already have that ...

Yet time changes referring your initial post...

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Mandtugai!

What I suppose is GMT is pre-nuclear tech age standard but majorly involved with old british empire strategies rather than real "science".

If they prove this non-constant light speed discovery in a few years then who knows this atomic standard would likely change again.

More realistically on this "time science" history science might give even realistic explanations considering centuries old british and french fights on every things on this planet.

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Mandtugai!

and while we get rid of GMT then how about straightening the lines for timezones as well. and while were at it, lets get these goofy countries like Afghanistan that have their clocks set off by 30 minutes to the conventional outside world time

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I agree. To avoid shifting hours in spring and fall I have two watches, an aluminium Swatch for summer and a Tissot Touch for winter, which has also an altimeter and a barometer which I used when cross country skiing in the Dolomites. Happy days!
Tullio

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I would think anyone that lives within 20 degrees north or south of the equator wouldn't need to use DST. The reason being the sun never really gets that low over the horizon to warrant it

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I have a clock mounted on the wall on my kitchen which now has become somewhat old.

It runs on a 9 V battery which needs replacement from time to time.

Anyway, the display is an analog one, it even does not show any numbers, it only has tick marks or markers.

If there ever was a needle or arm for the display of the seconds ticking away, it must have fallen of at some time. Only the same arms or needles showing the hour and minute are still mounted on it.

Because it now has become late autumn, if for some reason I check the time here (please have me excused), I may not know whether it is AM or PM (let's say 5 AM / 5 PM).

So it is rather better when I know not just only the time, but also the date, month, year and weekday as well (like Thursday). You never know when you become stuck on the exact date and time.

Anyway, I trust the watch I wear on my arm. It is a better one and shows the two last digits of the year (like 11).

GMT has nothing to do with how time is measured, it's about where the zero meridian is placed on globes and maps. Since at the time that accurate time measurement became crucial to ocean navigation England was at the peak of her power it was only natural for map makers to place the zero meridian through Greenwich England.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

One of the main benefits of British Summer Time, and Daylight Saving Time was to avoid school-kids having to walk home in the dark. But I'm not sure that is so applicable these days. But only the Western world observes it anyway.



DST observed
DST no longer observed
DST never observed

I thought daylight savings time was a method to save money by adjusting the clocks to allow more time to work during the daylight.

In my previous posting here, I could have added the word "also" to the last sentence (... and also shows the two last digits of ...) for clarity.

Anyway, the purpose of an Atomic Clock is for exactness and precision alone.

But can you measure time itself against something else? The calendar, by the way supposedly starts with the day, month and year as well as possible day of week. Your clock shows everything starting with the seconds (possibly divided into 0 through 99 parts of a second, which is useful in a running game) and ending with the minutes and hours. Also you should be able to read the date, month and year (2 last digits or all 4) as well as the day of week.

Using a stop watch, you can make up the time difference between maybe some 1 to 3 different runners.

The year however shows us how long ago since Jesus Christ was born, assumedly in the year 4 AD or maybe 4 BC if it was not in the year 0 itself (which was having 365 or maybe 366 days). The earth's orbit around the Sun makes the year close to 365.25 days, making it necessary for every fourth year to be a leap year.

If you are living near the date meridian 180 degrees away in longitude from the Greenwich meridian, you are not supposed to be having night all the time, do you?

it was originally for farmers to get up as early as possible to work in the fields and to maximize the amount of daylight while they were working.

I'm not sure why farmers would be concerned about daylight savings time. They get up before dawn and work until the sun sets. How are they saving anything?
this is more for urban areas where the sun would be coming up at 5 am moving the time allows city dwellers to sleep in darkness and work in the light

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I'm not sure why farmers would be concerned about daylight savings time. They get up before dawn and work until the sun sets. How are they saving anything?
this is more for urban areas where the sun would be coming up at 5 am moving the time allows city dwellers to sleep in darkness and work in the light

Haven't you seen Witness??

I think it was the candlelight that was important. Less candlelight needed in the morning = fewer barn fires and less loss of livestock.

Almost everything else was replaceable except for some of the barn animals.

Lt