Scientists are weighing in with explanations for the apparent discrepancy. A few of us have mentioned some of these here in this thread which are now being put forth with the Math to explain the missing nanoseconds.

remember velocity= distance/time all of which are subject to change --especially due to relative motion and gravity variances.

Well no, Chris, light years is a measure of distance. A light year is the distance light travels in one year.
Tullio

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Well no, Chris, light years is a measure of distance. A light year is the distance light travels in one year.
Tullio

This is only valid if you consider that C is constant. There are now cientists who are challenging this.

If it's proven that the speed of light is not a constant, then all modern physics have to be revised.

Well no, Chris, light years is a measure of distance. A light year is the distance light travels in one year.
Tullio

This is only valid if you consider that C is constant. There are now cientists who are challenging this.

If it's proven that the speed of light is not a constant, then all modern physics have to be revised.

This is only valid if you consider that C is constant. There are now scientists who are challenging this.

If it's proven that the speed of light is not a constant, then all modern physics have to be revised.

Yes, I know. But the neutrino result must still be checked and rechecked. Too many physical theories, not only relativity, depend on a constant speed of light. If c is not a constant also e and h must change in value.
Tullio

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Well no, Chris, light years is a measure of distance. A light year is the distance light travels in one year.
Tullio

This is only valid if you consider that C is constant. There are now cientists who are challenging this.

If it's proven that the speed of light is not a constant, then all modern physics have to be revised.

Dr Imaginario,
You hit the nail on the head there. Thats exactly whats going to happen!. And just as you say, all modern physics have to be revised. Thats exactly whats going to happen! Its will effect hugh areas of science. I have been trying to tell this to people here for the last few months and nobody seems to be able to grasp the concept. Either way, its going to happen. God told me......but people don't seem to believe that either! (Not sure why?)

John.

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Well no, Chris, ...

OK, hold my hand up, you are quite correct. Oooops ....

Welcome to the first step of enlightenment!

You'll make a good scientist yet. ;-)


(Forgot what politician it was who exclaimed that he couldn't hold a position meeting with scientists because they might change their minds when presented with new data!)

Best wishes,
Martin

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There is no duration, there is only distance.

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There is no duration, there is only distance.

So from the moment the Big Bang happened to it's theorized ending, what do you call that?

There is no duration, there is only distance.

So from the moment the Big Bang happened to it's theorized ending, what do you call that?

Distance. The distance from the big bang. Remember all the units on the 4 dimensional thing we experience have to be the same. So if x, y and z are meters, so is t.

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There is no duration, there is only distance.

So from the moment the Big Bang happened to it's theorized ending, what do you call that?

Distance. The distance from the big bang. Remember all the units on the 4 dimensional thing we experience have to be the same. So if x, y and z are meters, so is t.

Distance isn't a moment. Duration is the moments from the start to the finish, not from end to end.

There is no duration, there is only distance.

So from the moment the Big Bang happened to it's theorized ending, what do you call that?

Distance. The distance from the big bang. Remember all the units on the 4 dimensional thing we experience have to be the same. So if x, y and z are meters, so is t.

Distance isn't a moment. Duration is the moments from the start to the finish, not from end to end.

There is only distance. The second you think of is about 3e8 meters in a direction perpendicular to x, y and z.

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There is only distance. The second you think of is about 3e8 meters in a direction perpendicular to x, y and z.

Duration allows objects to travel distance. Without duration, there would be no way to move from one point to another.

Time is an illusion by which we order events in our lives. It can be measured however as distance/velocity. The rub is that velocity is distance/time

So that you get time = time : or zero=zero Maybe a profound tautology. ??

Time=distance doesn't seem to fall out of the Math.

Time is an illusion by which we order events in our lives. It can be measured however as distance/velocity. The rub is that velocity is distance/time

So that you get time = time : or zero=zero Maybe a profound tautology. ??

Time=distance doesn't seem to fall out of the Math.

Yes. Time falls out and distance is all that is left.

You don't even need tensors of GR to see this it happens in SR. When you look at the equations everywhere you have time/time. That falls out. All you are left with is distance.

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Note that we have no definition of time other than by the assumed time dependant action of atomic oscillations or other repetitive real-world actions.

As Einstein has aptly noted: Time is that which is measured by the ticking of a 'clock'.

Or, more philosophically: Time passes.

Keep searchin',
Martin

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Time is the interval between events determined by so many cycles of some recurrent, even, stable process.

so basically time is an ilusion created by man to explain the interval between two or several events or the duration of an event.

At the end is only a ilusion created by a conscient mind, as the universe as no notion of it.

No, time is not an illusion created by man. Time is duration, from the beginning of our universe to it's end. We simply put a unit of measure on it to keep track of the duration of events.

Duration would happen with or without mankind.

Time is a unitless thing invented by man because the true units, distance, are too big for his small brain to grasp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

SR uses a 'flat' 4-dimensional Minkowski space, which is an example of a space-time. This space, however, is very similar to the standard 3 dimensional Euclidean space.
The differential of distance (ds) in cartesian 3D space is defined as:

where (dx1,dx2,dx3) are the differentials of the three spatial dimensions. In the geometry of special relativity, a fourth dimension is added, derived from time, so that the equation for the differential of distance becomes:

Note the units of the added term, the "time" one. It is "(distance / time) * time" which reduces to distance.

Ergo: Time is distance.

Sorry to break your 3D bubble.

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